One World government question

[WVBORN56]

Everything we see about OWG revolves around the US and the EU...

I don't really see much about China, Russia and India taking part.

Will they also fall under the rule of the AC. It is hard to fathom the Chinese ever submitting to a world ruler.

I guess that explains why they break away in the end to come against the AC at Armegeddon.

We always wondered what it would take for the USA to forske their sovereignty? I guess I am wondering the same thing about the Chinese.

Maybe if our economy collapses so does theirs?

[Trance]

It is said that EVERY nation will be on bended knee in service of the Anti-Christ. I believe the sole exception will be Israel.

[WVBORN56]

Originally Posted by Trance

It is said that EVERY nation will be on bended knee in service of the Anti-Christ. I believe the sole exception will be Israel.

I agree, I just don't see them presently fawning all over PC crowd to move in lock step. Russia and China just seems out for themselves.

I wonder what will change that?

A world wide economic disaster?

[Teotwawki]

Originally Posted by WVBORN56

Everything we see about OWG revolves around the US and the EU...

I don't really see much about China, Russia and India taking part.

Will they also fall under the rule of the AC. It is hard to fathom the Chinese ever submitting to a world ruler.

I guess that explains why they break away in the end to come against the AC at Armegeddon.

We always wondered what it would take for the USA to forske their sovereignty? I guess I am wondering the same thing about the Chinese.

Maybe if our economy collapses so does theirs?

Every nation will be part of the NWO, just like how nearly every nation is part of the UN now. However at the very end of the Trib the Kings of the East will eventually wage war against the Antichrist's armies of the West at the battle of Armegeddon; this is what their 200 million man army is going to be used for.

[Kerusso02]

Originally Posted by Teotwawki

Every nation will be part of the NWO, just like how nearly every nation is part of the UN now. However at the very end of the Trib the Kings of the East will eventually wage war against the Antichrist's armies of the West at the battle of Armegeddon; this is what their 200 million man army is going to be used for.

Where does it say that the kings of the east will fight the antichrist? It was my understanding based on Rev. 16 that they were meeting up with the armies of the antichrist to wage war against the Lord?

[Trance]

Originally Posted by Kerusso02

Where does it say that the kings of the east will fight the antichrist? It was my understanding based on Rev. 16 that they were meeting up with the armies of the antichrist to wage war against the Lord?

There is a Scripture where is says the Anti-Christ is being attacked from 2 different sides.

[Kerusso02]

Originally Posted by Trance

There is a Scripture where is says the Anti-Christ is being attacked from 2 different sides.

Do you have an address for the scripture?

[Trance]

Originally Posted by Kerusso02

Do you have an address for the scripture?

I will try and find it

[Tall Timbers]

Originally Posted by Teotwawki

However at the very end of the Trib the Kings of the East will eventually wage war against the Antichrist's armies of the West at the battle of Armegeddon; this is what their 200 million man army is going to be used for.

The 200 million figure in Revelation refers to the second demonic invasion of the world. This invasion is commissioned to kill 1/3 of the earth's population whereas the first demonic invasion was only commissioned to torture the population for a set period of time. Rev 9:13-21

Scripture is used out of context to fit it to the idea of a 200 million man army from China (or any other country or region). This second demonic invasion is part of the trumpet judgments.

The Kings of the East referred to in Revelation are part of the Bowl Judgments. So the Kings of the East and the 200 million are not connected in any way.

Arnold Fruchtenbaum indicates that for consistency of usage, the Kings of the East would refer to Mesopotamian Kings rather than Chinese.

[pssgrace]

it's scary enough watching how people fawn over o. thank God we wont be here to see how people are gonna fawn over the antichrist after the rapture

[Trance]

Originally Posted by pssgrace

it's scary enough watching how people fawn over o. thank God we wont be here to see how people are gonna fawn over the antichrist after the rapture

Even scarier that O does not seem eager to deny or distance himself from claims that he is the Messiah.

[pssgrace]

Even scarier that O does not seem eager to deny or distance himself from claims that he is the Messiah.
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amen to that trance!!!! in fact...it seems he's enjoying all this worship.

[razberry]

Originally Posted by WVBORN56

Everything we see about OWG revolves around the US and the EU...

I don't really see much about China, Russia and India taking part.

Will they also fall under the rule of the AC. It is hard to fathom the Chinese ever submitting to a world ruler.

I guess that explains why they break away in the end to come against the AC at Armegeddon.

We always wondered what it would take for the USA to forske their sovereignty? I guess I am wondering the same thing about the Chinese.

Maybe if our economy collapses so does theirs?

On pg 13 of pdf file at http://media.sermonaudio.com/mediapdf/11209218487.pdf

Soros: China Will Lead New World Order

Billionaire globalist George Soros told the Financial Times during an interview that China will supplant the United States as the leader of the new world order and that America should not resist the country’s decline as the dollar weakens, living standards drop, and a new global currency is introduced.

Asked what Obama should discuss when he visits China next month, Soros stated, “This would be the time because I think you really need to bring China into the creation of a new world order, financial world order,” adding that China was a reluctant member of the IMF who didn’t make enough of a contribution.

“I think you need a new world order that China has to be part of the process of creating it and they have to buy in, they have to own it in the same way as the United States owns…the current order,” said Soros, adding that the G20 was a move in this direction.

Soros said that there was a flight from currencies across the board, and that this is why the price of commodities, notably gold and oil, were generally rising. He also stated that an orderly decline of the dollar was “desirable” and that the entire system needed to be reconstituted towards a global currency.

“You need a new currency system and actually the Special Drawing Rights do give you the makings of a system and I think it’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist the wider use of Special Drawing Rights, they could be very useful now when you have a global shortfall of demand, you could actually internationally create currency through Special Drawing Rights,” said Soros, explaining that this was already in process after the IMF injected an allocation of Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) equivalent to $250 billion into the global economy.

Soros also stated that richer countries were already transferring wealth to poorer countries via SDR’s, with the IMF paying for the half per cent transaction cost.

Soros said the world would have to go through a “painful adjustment” following the decline of the dollar and the introduction of a global currency. Reading between the lines, he essentially threatened to kill the dollar completely if the United States did not get on board with the global currency.

Soros predicted that China would become the new engine of the global economy, replacing the U.S., and that this would slow economic growth and reduce living standards. Soros characterized the United States as a drag on the global economy because of the declining dollar.

[logosone]

Yes, they will all fall right in line.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing."

[Teotwawki]

Originally Posted by Tall Timbers

The 200 million figure in Revelation refers to the second demonic invasion of the world. This invasion is commissioned to kill 1/3 of the earth's population whereas the first demonic invasion was only commissioned to torture the population for a set period of time. Rev 9:13-21

Scripture is used out of context to fit it to the idea of a 200 million man army from China (or any other country or region). This second demonic invasion is part of the trumpet judgments.

The Kings of the East referred to in Revelation are part of the Bowl Judgments. So the Kings of the East and the 200 million are not connected in any way.

Arnold Fruchtenbaum indicates that for consistency of usage, the Kings of the East would refer to Mesopotamian Kings rather than Chinese.

Hmm, I will have to research that. That is an interesting observation.

[JoelH]

Originally Posted by razberry

On pg 13 of pdf file at http://media.sermonaudio.com/mediapdf/11209218487.pdf

Soros: China Will Lead New World Order

Billionaire globalist George Soros told the Financial Times during an interview that China will supplant the United States as the leader of the new world order and that America should not resist the country’s decline as the dollar weakens, living standards drop, and a new global currency is introduced.

Asked what Obama should discuss when he visits China next month, Soros stated, “This would be the time because I think you really need to bring China into the creation of a new world order, financial world order,” adding that China was a reluctant member of the IMF who didn’t make enough of a contribution.

“I think you need a new world order that China has to be part of the process of creating it and they have to buy in, they have to own it in the same way as the United States owns…the current order,” said Soros, adding that the G20 was a move in this direction.

Soros said that there was a flight from currencies across the board, and that this is why the price of commodities, notably gold and oil, were generally rising. He also stated that an orderly decline of the dollar was “desirable” and that the entire system needed to be reconstituted towards a global currency.

“You need a new currency system and actually the Special Drawing Rights do give you the makings of a system and I think it’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist the wider use of Special Drawing Rights, they could be very useful now when you have a global shortfall of demand, you could actually internationally create currency through Special Drawing Rights,” said Soros, explaining that this was already in process after the IMF injected an allocation of Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) equivalent to $250 billion into the global economy.

Soros also stated that richer countries were already transferring wealth to poorer countries via SDR’s, with the IMF paying for the half per cent transaction cost.

Soros said the world would have to go through a “painful adjustment” following the decline of the dollar and the introduction of a global currency. Reading between the lines, he essentially threatened to kill the dollar completely if the United States did not get on board with the global currency.

Soros predicted that China would become the new engine of the global economy, replacing the U.S., and that this would slow economic growth and reduce living standards. Soros characterized the United States as a drag on the global economy because of the declining dollar.

The way I see it even from the geopolitical perspective is that China will not grow any bigger than Russia - the Kremlin is keen on being a major power on its own and will not allow any power in its camp or in strategic alliance to overshadow its own prestige. And I have every evidence to point out that PR China is a paper tiger that is far weaker than most people think and it will collapse in a few years' time (interestingly the pagan/folk foreunetelling people from Chinese communities are predicting China's Communist government will collapse in 2015/16. Some in Taiwan are predicting China will collapse in 2010 according to some other pagan fortune telling). Read Gordon Chang's analysis if you are interested.

(If you understand Chinese, the pagan Chinese prediction can be found here. Warning: I do not endorse thease contents and these are non-Christian and un-Christian in materials):

http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2008/03/blog-post_16.html

http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2008/0...post_4986.html

http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2008/0...post_6367.html

http://plastichk.blogspot.com/2009/01/blog-post_28.html )

I have read Fruchetnbaum's The NWO is a one world government obviously headed by a country that used to be part of the Roman Empire. China's part of NWO will show that it can't call the shots in the one world government. If you believe China will be an Eastern Alliance member opposing NWO, from the Bible the most sensible scenario for the Gog invasion of Israel is that the Eastern alliance and thus the only opposition to the NWO will collapse when God supernaturally destroys the army. It is clear that the leader of the alliance will be Russia (far north of Israel) so you can forget China overshadowing Russia in power. There is no indication of a successor state/alliance challenging the supremacy of the NWO. In other words, there can't be a strong China that is either in the Eastern Alliance (the Bible is clear that the head will be Russia, not China) or in the NWO (the Bible is again very clear a former Roman Empire country national will head the NWO, not a Chinese).

[antitox]

Originally Posted by WVBORN56

Everything we see about OWG revolves around the US and the EU...

I don't really see much about China, Russia and India taking part.

Will they also fall under the rule of the AC. It is hard to fathom the Chinese ever submitting to a world ruler.

I guess that explains why they break away in the end to come against the AC at Armegeddon.

We always wondered what it would take for the USA to forske their sovereignty? I guess I am wondering the same thing about the Chinese.

Maybe if our economy collapses so does theirs?

All I can point out is this:

(Dan 7:23) "Thus he said: 'As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces."

[cr201]

Originally Posted by JoelH

The way I see it even from the geopolitical perspective is that China will not grow any bigger than Russia - the Kremlin is keen on being a major power on its own and will not allow any power in its camp or in strategic alliance to overshadow its own prestige. And I have every evidence to point out that PR China is a paper tiger that is far weaker than most people think and it will collapse in a few years' time (interestingly the pagan/folk foreunetelling people from Chinese communities are predicting China's Communist government will collapse in 2015/16. Some in Taiwan are predicting China will collapse in 2010 according to some other pagan fortune telling). Read Gordon Chang's analysis if you are interested.

(If you understand Chinese, the pagan Chinese prediction can be found here. Warning: I do not endorse thease contents and these are non-Christian and un-Christian in materials):


I have read Fruchetnbaum's The NWO is a one world government obviously headed by a country that used to be part of the Roman Empire. China's part of NWO will show that it can't call the shots in the one world government. If you believe China will be an Eastern Alliance member opposing NWO, from the Bible the most sensible scenario for the Gog invasion of Israel is that the Eastern alliance and thus the only opposition to the NWO will collapse when God supernaturally destroys the army. It is clear that the leader of the alliance will be Russia (far north of Israel) so you can forget China overshadowing Russia in power. There is no indication of a successor state/alliance challenging the supremacy of the NWO. In other words, there can't be a strong China that is either in the Eastern Alliance (the Bible is clear that the head will be Russia, not China) or in the NWO (the Bible is again very clear a former Roman Empire country national will head the NWO, not a Chinese).

Gordon chang is a hack who is a broken record. He predicted the collapse of China in 2006. The truth is that the Chinese are living far behind what they could have imagined even twenty years ago today. China is strong. If China is in bad shape Russia is ten times worse. Russia is much more likely to collapse than China. China has had momentous economic growth and infrastructure improvements while Russia has had a declining infrastructure, demographic issues and declining life spans since the post-soviet reconstruction.

The arabs described the great wall of China as the wall of al-magog. So Russia is probably magog. Russians have a considerable amount of central asian and mongol blood. Russia may invade israel destroy its infrastructure, kill many israelis, however it will be punished and it will collapse.

Currently russia/china are allied and are opposed to the eu/us. After babylon (the us?) is destroyed from the north, the alliances of the eastern nations against the nwo will be announced soon after. Look for Japan and Korea uniting with China.

[Trance]

Originally Posted by cr201

After babylon (the us?) is destroyed from the north, the alliances of the eastern nations against the nwo will be announced soon after. Look for Japan and Korea uniting with China.

I don't think Babylon is the US. If you read the Old Testament, it is located in present-day Iraq. I think the New Babalyon would be in Iraq as well. Also I have heard that during the height of Saddam's power, he was planning to rebuild the Tower of Babel....

[cr201]

Originally Posted by Trance

I don't think Babylon is the US. If you read the Old Testament, it is located in present-day Iraq. I think the New Babalyon would be in Iraq as well. Also I have heard that during the height of Saddam's power, he was planning to rebuild the Tower of Babel....

What we do know is that Babylon is supposed to be an all-powerful end time nation.

"For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans (New Babylon),

THAT BITTER AND HASTY NATION,

which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces

that are not their's"

(Habakkuk 1:6)

Habakkuk refers to it as a nation. The US currently occupies old Babylon.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of
the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich
through the abundance of her delicacies.



The kings of the earth are to do business with babylon. The US dollar is the world reserve currency, three-fourths of all currency transactions in the world are in dollars. A country like Saudi Arabia which does absolutely no business with the catholic church still trades in dollars and sells oil in dollars. Even North Korea has to buy oil and other commodities in dollars. Every nation on earth currently has to buy oil in dollars. Now iran currently sells oil in euros on the futures market, however iran does not sell bulk crude on the spot market, they only deliver crude-derived processed products. Oil and other commodities are still priced in dollars. WTI, Brent, Argus are all either British or American benchmarks. Dubai crude is cleared by british and american firms. So even iran has to sell oil priced in dollars.

So either way even if babylon is not america, the future for america doesn't look bright as it will have to stop being a major power first. Which means the US military/economy also has to decline in power dramatically in the future.