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    a note from one of my fb friends regarding the IHOP end of charismania:

    The dangers of IHOP and the Prophetic Movement!

    Last night during my layover in Atlanta, I went to Sbarro’s in hope of getting a slice of pepperoni pizza. Much to my dismay, they were about to close and were all out of Pepperoni and so they offered me a slice of cheese instead. I pondered for a moment whether I really wanted the slice of cheese before buying it. As I ate the slice of cheese, I was very satisfied with the taste- more satisfied than I was with the taste of the slice of Pepperoni Pizza that I had enjoyed the week prior at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. In the same way that I thought I needed Pepperoni as an additive to my pizza in order to enhance the taste, many Christians are turning their attention to a movement that is offering additive experiences in order to enhance their level of faith. This movement has over the years gone by a series of titles starting with the Latter Rain Movement in 1949, then becoming the New Charismatic Renewal in the 1960’s, the Kansas City Prophets in the 1980’s, the Third Wave in the 1990’s, and today is known as the Prophetic Movement and the International House of Prayer movement.

    When one traces this movement from its origins in the 1940’s to the present day, he/she will discover that while the title of the movement is frequently changing- the names and faces of those calling the shots has stayed the same. You are probably thinking to yourself right now, “how can that be, aren’t most of them dead.” The answer to this is yes- but the alleged power of these leaders from the 1940’s has somehow been channeled from the grave.

    The major name at the forefront of the Latter Rain movement in the 1940’s was William Marion Branham. Branham was known throughout for the miracles, signs, and wonders of his revival style meetings. Branham though initially ordained as a Baptist pastor converted to the Assemblies of God and remained there until he had his credentials in 1949. The reason Branham had his credentials stripped is that in spite of his “miracle and healing” services, he also promoted false doctrines such as the denial of the Trinity, the teaching that the Zodiac and the pyramids were as much God’s word as the Bible, the serpent’s seed doctrine which taught that Eve had sex with Satan in order to conceive Cain, and most bizarre of all he popularized the Manifest Sons of God doctrine as originally postulated by Earl G. Paulk. This doctrine taught that rather than Christ returning physically in his second coming, there would be a restablishment of the apostolic and prophetic ministries and that the remnant that walked in these ministries would walk so much in the power of God that they would become the fulfillment of the Second Coming. Even after having his credentials stripped in 1949, Branham continued to have quite a following after his ministry. Many of his followers were so duped that when Branham died in a car accident in 1965, they waited by his grave for several days fully expecting him to arise from the dead in the same way that Christ did. Though Branham is still in his grave, his legacy of deception lives on in a group of men who feel ordained by God to continue his work.

    These men are Morningstar Fellowship Church (Charlotte, NC) pastor Rick Joyner, The founder of The Call Lou Engle, the seer prophet Bob Jones (not to be confused with the founder of Bob Jones University), and Director of the International House of Prayer world headquarters in Kansas City, Missouri Mike Bickle. Ever since the death of Branham in the 1960’s and the quick demise of several other leaders of that day including Jack Coe, and A.A. Allen- these men along with Paul Cain (who was removed from ministry after his homosexual relationships came to light in 2004) have tried everything possible to rebirth this healing and revival ministry that in their words is suppose “to usher in the Kingdom of God to earth.”

    The most recent attempt of this was in 2008 when young Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley burst onto the scene in Lakeland proclaiming thousands of healings and more than 30 resurrections from the dead. Bentley claimed to have received the mantle of anointing and also to have been assigned the same angel that guided the ministry of William Branham in the 1940’s. This revival in Lakeland came to a screeching halt when it was revealed that Todd Bentley was having an affair with one of his staff members and was also getting drunk just about every night of the revival. Sadly, in spite of divorcing his wife and marrying the mistress of whom he had the affair with, Bentley has been fully restored to ministry by Rick Joyner.

    In the meantime, an alleged awakening has broken out at the International House of Prayer world headquarters in Kansas City, Missouri. This awakening is said to be the fulfillment of a prophecy by Bob Jones leading up to the official establishment of an apostolic and prophetic government that is to rule over the Christian faith starting in 2012. The prophecy given by Jones is believed by these men to bring us one step closer to fulfilling the arrival of the Manifest Kingdom of God. Sadly, this movement is led by the same dogs trying new tricks. In the 1980’s Joyner, Jones, Cain, Bickle, and John Paul Jackson all dubbed themselves as the Kansas City prophets proclaiming that they were going to establish a prophetic ministry in every city and that all churches should be united under the prophetic ministry base in their respective cities.

    While many have followed the measures of a good Berean and tested the movement in light of what scripture says, there are many sincere young believers who have been duped into believing that this movement is indeed of God. The International House of Prayer University in Kansas City, Missouri has become a very fertile ground for recruiting young believers to go and spend several months in internship. Sadly, many have gone and found it that it is not all that it is cracked up to be. There have been more than a few reports (circulating out of the International House of Prayer) of members who have been required to cut off contact with their families. Cult expert Rick Ross has documented that he has received many calls IHOP members asking for help to get out of a situation of spiritual abuse Still yet, other members report being assigned specific seers and prophets to guide them in their ministry. The latter report makes perfect sense considering that the entire focus of the International House of Prayer is based on the visions of the seer prophet Bob Jones, who claims to visit the Third Heaven everyday and promises others that he can help them discover how to visit for themselves.

    While all of these are indeed very bizarre details, the root of the problem is the continuous denigration of the Word of God. After many years of unsuccessfully trying to justify their movement in accordance with the Word of God, the movement has now deemphasized the importance of the Word of God. They have gone as far as to accuse people who spend too much time in the Word as worshipping the Bible more than they worship the Holy Spirit. While the Holy Spirit is indeed a very important aspect of Christian doctrine, from its earliest catechisms in the first and second centuries A.D. to the present, the church has consistently proclaimed that the role of the Holy Spirit is never to exalt himself but rather to bring us to the light of all truth which is found in the living Word of God, Christ Jesus himself.

    In order to offer evidence of the bizarre details I have given in this note, attached are two videos. In one video, Bob Jones prophesies a new “sword of the Spirit” is coming which will bring a paradigm shift to Christianity like none before. Deductively, because the only thing in the Bible referred to as the “sword of the Spirit” is the scripture itself- Bob Jones can only be prophesying that a new foundation is coming that will replace the Word of God. After years of researching the movement, this makes perfect sense as the movement has frequently taught that what people need to really enhance their walk with Christ is new and fresh revelation. Rather than seeking after new revelation, what the body of Christ desperately needs is to become more familiar with the revelation already given in the Word of God- the Bible. The second video is of an episode of extreme prophetic with Patricia King, Bob Jones, and Todd Bentley. In this video they talk about visiting the third heaven. Bob Jones claims to go up to the third heaven everyday.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJKNj7QsIXE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCTMEoifqQ

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    Boy am I dense. I though your were talking about the pancake house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    Boy am I dense. I though your were talking about the pancake house.
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    I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who made this mistake when I saw this. I was like "The IHOP restaurant supports apostasy?!"

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    Thank you for the heads up. We attend a Pentecostal (Assemblies of God) Church and I've already seen things that don't sit well with me, I'll keep my eyes and ears open for anything resembling this....especially the "need a revelation" bit.

    Psalm 25:4-5 ~ "4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. 5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day."

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    Hey i just checked IHOP on line and what they belive seems spot on, the only diff i can see is that they are post tribbers while i and most ppl here are pre but thats not a big issue.

    http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Articl...?ID=1000050150

    Am i missing something

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    I think it's the whole idea of putting more emphasis on the "experiences" than on the Word of God and the Gospel of Christ. Their "statement of belief" sounds good but its what they emphasize that is wrong. It's not about signs and wonder and all about God and His sufficient grace for our salvation and our lives.

    Psalm 25:4-5 ~ "4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. 5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day."

    "It isn’t up to us to keep ourselves saved; we are in the double fisted grip of the Father and The Son – sealed in by The Holy Spirit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina View Post
    I think it's the whole idea of putting more emphasis on the "experiences" than on the Word of God and the Gospel of Christ. Their "statement of belief" sounds good but its what they emphasize that is wrong. It's not about signs and wonder and all about God and His sufficient grace for our salvation and our lives.

    Where does it say that

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    Quote Originally Posted by stubob View Post
    Where does it say that
    I'm not speaking of this particular church, I'm speaking of the Pentecostals/Assemblies of God Church in general. You can take a look at Rick Warren's statement of faith and think it "spot on" too but we all know differently by his actions and views outside the confines of his webiste belief. Just because a church gives a good statement of faith on their website, doesn't mean they're spot on....check out who they associate with, authors they promote, etc...

    My church too has a good statement of faith but in the bookstore they sell drivel by Bill Hybels, Max Lucando, Joyce Meyer and Rick Warren. , they have a good statement of faith but the issue of speaking in tongues and being moved by the Spirit seems to be more important and focused on than the full Gospel message itself (when the pastor preaches). Statements of faith can be very "deceiving". If you're gonna say it then you must live by it.

    Psalm 25:4-5 ~ "4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. 5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day."

    "It isn’t up to us to keep ourselves saved; we are in the double fisted grip of the Father and The Son – sealed in by The Holy Spirit."

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    Weird, I was raised in an Assembly of God Church and they preached the truth of the Gospel and my son attends one now and I visited many times at his Church and they always preached the truth of the Gospel. I know not all Baptist preach the same so maybe that it is the case here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    Weird, I was raised in an Assembly of God Church and they preached the truth of the Gospel and my son attends one now and I visited many times at his Church and they always preached the truth of the Gospel. I know not all Baptist preach the same so maybe that it is the case here.betty
    For sure because if I'm not mistaken, c_g's church is Pentecostal and their Pastor there is sound.

    Psalm 25:4-5 ~ "4 Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. 5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day."

    "It isn’t up to us to keep ourselves saved; we are in the double fisted grip of the Father and The Son – sealed in by The Holy Spirit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina View Post
    I'm not speaking of this particular church, I'm speaking of the Pentecostals/Assemblies of God Church in general. You can take a look at Rick Warren's statement of faith and think it "spot on" too but we all know differently by his actions and views outside the confines of his webiste belief. Just because a church gives a good statement of faith on their website, doesn't mean they're spot on....check out who they associate with, authors they promote, etc...

    My church too has a good statement of faith but in the bookstore they sell drivel by Bill Hybels, Max Lucando, Joyce Meyer and Rick Warren. , they have a good statement of faith but the issue of speaking in tongues and being moved by the Spirit seems to be more important and focused on than the full Gospel message itself (when the pastor preaches). Statements of faith can be very "deceiving". If you're gonna say it then you must live by it.

    Good point, need to say im neither an advocate or detractor of IHOP just investigating

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    I've got a circle of youths (about 100+) from my church that are into this stuff. They keep telling me to go to the (IHOP) Prayer Room and see the fire is falling or drink the marriage wine nonsense...

    I wish the Pastor would see what is happening and correct these youths and young adults before it's too late..

    By the way Christina, I see you're from Toronto.. Which church are you talking about? Mine's the Prayer Palace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubob View Post
    Hey i just checked IHOP on line and what they belive seems spot on, the only diff i can see is that they are post tribbers while i and most ppl here are pre but thats not a big issue.

    Am i missing something


    The following article by Kevin Reeves describes the background of much of the Word-Faith, River movement, Latter Rain, IHOP, Joel’s Army, Apostles and Prophets movement, etc. taking place today. Todd Bentley, Rick Joyner, John Wimber, and many others have risen out of the 1940s Latter Rain movement. Followers believe that the Latter Rain “revival” is the latter rain referred to in such Scriptures as Jeremiah 3:3, Joel 2:23, and Hosea 6:3. These movements have now intersected with the contemplative prayer movement; now combined with Purpose Driven, the emerging church, Willow Creek, etc. a powerful mystical body is merging as an apostate, end-time church.

    “The Headwaters of the River”
    by Kevin Reeves

    In February of 1948 in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, a community of believers met to seek God for His power. A power did manifest. Miracles were reported, and Christians from all over set out on a pilgrimage to get this power. The Latter Rain movement emerged full-blown, evidencing supposed signs and wonders, prophetic utterances, and impartations via the laying on of hands. The movement was also marked with a spirit of elitism, false prophecies, and an inbred authority structure based upon the new “word of the Lord.” When the Christian community was faced with the decision between solid biblical teaching and awe-inspiring miracles, many swung their legs over the fence of indecision and jumped with both feet into one of the first major 20th century tributaries of the “River.” The reasoning went that a new thing, based on the prophecy in Isaiah 43:18-19, had sprung up. All concerns about doctrine or practice could be dealt with sometime down the road, if at all. The pendulum had swung from the Word to experience as the final arbiter.

    What many do not realize is that two issues factored heavily into this revival. The first is that a 1946 book written by Franklin Hall, called Atomic Power with God Through Fasting and Prayer,1 was read and promoted by the revival’s leaders. The other is that one of the foremost prophets of the era, William Branham, had imparted his ministry power through the laying on of hands to some of those involved in this revival. His teachings were a strong determining factor in the Saskatchewan revival’s course.

    The Franklin Hall book is a strong call to return the church to a pattern of fasting and prayer. While the premise of fasting is itself biblical, the book strangely asserted that without the discipline of fasting, prayer goes unanswered. As proof, Hall even cites the answered prayer received by pagans offering supplications to their false gods. In his excellent analysis of Dominion doctrine and practice, Vengeance Is Ours: The Church in Dominion, noted Christian researcher Al Dager astutely observes:

    If we analyze Hall’s claims, we must come to the conclusion that those who pray to demons will have their prayers answered if they fast, but Christians will not have their prayers answered if they don’t fast. At the least, it seems, they would be hindered greatly.2

    In another of Hall’s books, he wrote that the church would eventually produce an elite group of overcomers with the power to defy the laws of gravity, to walk upside down, and even attain to present immortality. He also spoke of a shining gold dust appearing on the skin of believers. Interesting that reports of this kind of phenomena have been circulating in River churches–even though at least one chemically-analyzed “gold dust” sample proved to be nothing more than children’s plastic glitter.3

    William Branham, called by some in today’s prophetic ministries the greatest prophet to have ever lived, had also drunk deeply of Hall’s teachings, including Atomic Power with God Through Fasting and Prayer. Emerging into the late 1940s spotlight with a reputation for accurate words of knowledge and miraculous healing power, Branham astounded the multitudes. It was said he could tell a person he’d never before met what conversations the person had and the situation which he was facing, and he could speak restoration to a chronically diseased part of the body and heal it. He made it known that he was a prophet of the Lord, and his preaching drew the crowds. But what those same crowds didn’t generally hear were some of his other pet doctrines.

    Branham taught that Satan had sex with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and Cain was the result of that union. He taught that he himself was the seventh angel of the book of Revelation, that he was Elijah the prophet, and that a belief in the Trinity was of the devil. But as long as he kept these beliefs under his hat and continued to wow the mob, the invitations to speak at churches worldwide kept pouring in.

    His life certainly appeared marked by the miraculous. And Branham had no hesitation to say so. His testimony included a halo around him at his birth, and an actual photo of him in later life shows what appears to be a ring of light around his head while he stands at the pulpit preaching. It’s what his followers have sometimes called The Pillar of Fire. This strange phenomenon supposedly happened in grander manifestation on June 11, 1933 as Branham was baptizing converts in the Ohio River near Jefferson, Indiana. Hearing a voice tell him to look up, Branham beheld a mysterious, star-like light in the sky, which rapidly descended until it rested just above him. Some in the crowd of 4,000 fell in worship, others ran in terror. The voice commissioned Branham, telling him that as John the Baptist was the forerunner of the Messiah, so Branham would be the forerunner of Christ’s second coming.

    On February 28, 1963 a few miles from Tucson, Arizona, an immense, bright ring of cloud appeared in the clear sky. Branham claimed he was caught up into its midst where it turned out to be “seven mighty angels” who had appeared to give him yet another divine commission; this time he was to make known to the church the mystery of the seven seals of the book of Revelation.4

    Taken at face value, this means that the incomplete church had waited two thousand years for Branham to appear on the scene.

    A presence made itself known around Branham throughout his life. He had been followed since childhood by a spiritual being that, when Branham reached manhood, manifested as a young man with long hair and flowing robes. Stepping out from a ball of brilliant light, this being commissioned him to go out and heal the afflicted and said that he would know of diseases present that affected an individual by vibrations in his left hand. Branham also claimed to have been given another spiritual gift–he would know what was in the hearts of men.5

    Killed by injuries received in an automobile collision in 1965, Branham has physically faded from the scene, but his legacy of incredible tales, supernatural signs, and prophetic anointing lives on. He has a following to this day.

    Branham’s tradition of sensing the anointing in one’s hands is something that continues as well. Many of those within the old Latter Rain ranks, and in the Faith Movement that followed, claim heat or vibrations in their hands which they believe indicates the presence of God for healing…. While Branham and Latter Rain proponents claimed allegiance to God’s inerrant Word, their practices and peculiar doctrines denied it. Here are some of the basic beliefs they do adhere to:

    * A great, end-times army will arise and take authority over the earth, putting Satan and his minions under their feet.

    * The last days remnant of the true church (meaning those adhering to the Latter Rain doctrine) are the elite.

    * Specific desirable anointings can be imparted from person to person by the laying on of hands.

    * The church needs to experience restoration of all the gifts and revelation knowledge of who we really are in order to walk in fullness of power and finally be complete.

    * Modern apostles and prophets must be set up in the church and the elect must submit to them.

    * Restoration of the five-fold ministry of Ephesians 4:11 must take place for that authority structure to be erected.

    * The church must come into complete physical unity.

    * The rapture of believers is a myth, spawned by Satan to corral the church into a retreat mentality.

    Some Latter Rain adherents no longer wait with yearning for the redemption of our bodies at the Second Coming. Now, in place of the rapture, they teach to expect Christ to come in us, instead of for us.

    According to the Bible, believers in the last days are not, in triumph, going to make the nations fall at their feet (Matthew 24:9). And as for the need for restoration of revelation knowledge in order to be complete–we’ve always been complete in Christ Jesus (Colossians 2:10). We have always had all the authority (Matthew 28:18; Titus 2:11-15), gifts, and revelation knowledge needed to live righteous before Him and be witnesses of Christ before a lost world (II Peter 1:3)…. The God of the Bible is big enough to carry on the work of the Spirit’s empowering throughout world history. He doesn’t need to create it over and over, as Latter Rain doctrine insists. The canon of Scripture is forever closed. Prophets, by their pronouncements, add to the Bible. This was their purpose before the complete written testimony was set down. There is nothing lacking in the scriptural record. Today’s supposed prophets add to the Bible. While they vehemently deny this, a quick glance at their words from the Lord is enough evidence to stop them cold.

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (II Timothy 4:3-4)

    (excerpt from The Other Side of the River, pp. 171-176)

    Notes:

    1. Franklin Hall, Atomic Power with God Through Fasting and Prayer, 1946.
    2. Albert James Dager, Vengeance is Ours (Redmond, WA: Sword Publishers, 1990). p. 51.
    3. Mary Owen, “Oregon church says gold dust, feathers fell during meetings” (Charisma magazine, September 2000, http://www. charisma mag.com /display.php?id=517, accessed 02/07); also see “There’s Gold in Them Thar Teeth” by Mike Oppenheimer, http://www.letusreason.org/Pent5.htm, accessed 02/07.
    4. Mike Oppenheimer, “The Teachings of ‘the Prophet’ William Branham” (Let Us Reason ministries, http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm, accessed on 01/07).
    5. Ibid. For photos, history and detailed information on William Branham, see http://www.biblebelievers.org.
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    This is good stuff. THanks for posting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00.7 View Post
    I've got a circle of youths (about 100+) from my church that are into this stuff. They keep telling me to go to the (IHOP) Prayer Room and see the fire is falling or drink the marriage wine nonsense...

    I wish the Pastor would see what is happening and correct these youths and young adults before it's too late..

    By the way Christina, I see you're from Toronto.. Which church are you talking about? Mine's the Prayer Palace.
    LOL, I'm at Queensway Cathedral on The Queensway. Our Pastor is a friend of your Pastor, I know the Prayer Palace well, you're right beside the highway right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    Boy am I dense. I though your were talking about the pancake house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OED40 View Post
    I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who made this mistake when I saw this. I was like "The IHOP restaurant supports apostasy?!"
    I did too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stubob View Post
    Hey i just checked IHOP on line and what they belive seems spot on

    Am i missing something
    yes, you missed the first post

    here's a clue Mike Bickle

    Bickle's movement is based upon allegorized scripture, deeper life pietism, and mysticism, representing a slightly modified version of the heretical Latter Rain movement of the 1940s.

    Bickle claims he began his ministry through hearing an audible voice of God in 1983 telling him to start a 24-hour prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David. He erected a sign to that effect though he did not know what prayer in the spirit of the tabernacle of David was.
    It turns out that it is "prophetic singing prayers." Once they figured out, IHOP was born.

    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch....harismatic.htm

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    Default I was about to panic.....NO MORE IHOP!

    Whew.... thought I had to give up Pancakes.... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SINSEI View Post
    Whew.... thought I had to give up Pancakes.... LOL
    If you are eating at bickle's IHOP, go on a permanent fast. This is the same dominionist heresy going on for decades. Satan re wrapping the same deadly fruitcake over and over again, new wrapper same deadly fruit.
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    I agree owl

    a lot of the churches in Omaha (my town) have embraced Mike Bickle's cultic movement

    and what is sadder is some local hosts on KCRO 660 (the so-called christian talk station here) are mouthpieces for Bickle.

    where's the discernment KCRO 660 of Omaha
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