Rick Warren: Those concerned about the spirtual state of some churches ignore Matthew 25

[billiefan2000]

http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/4919833763


Have u noticed that those loudly complaining about a "compromised church" obey NONE of Jesus' Matthew 25 commandments?

about 6 hours ago from web


http://twitter.com/RickWarren/status/4919833763






my comment:

Have u noticed that those loudly complaining about christians who use discernment ignore 1 John 4:1



BTW, isnt Warren made another allegation that he cant back up.


he does he know all those who are complaining about a "compromised church" obey NONE of Jesus' Matthew 25 commandments


this is another sign of him trying to silence those who use Discernment

and also another example of Tricky Ricky doing scripture twisitng for his own agenda

[billiefan2000]

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and like I said a while back: the fact Warren and Noble and Duffey and others are complaining so much about those who use Discernment proves two things:



1. IMO, there is trouble in the purpose-driven and seeker-driven paradise and

2. some people are slowly waking up to what Noble and Warren and others real agenda is

cause if they arent leading people astray,

why is Warren and Duffey and Noble so worried and whinning about those who are using Discernment

and testing what they are saying to see if it's sound doctrine

[chiliast]

Hmm, Jesus' Matthew 25 commandments? What commandments? I don't see commandments there; only prophecies relating to "when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him."

Jehovah's Witnesses do something similar with Matt. 24:14. This is a prophecy that the good news of the kingdom would be preached in all the earth, then the end would come. The JWs ignore the prophetic (specifically, Tribulation, vs. 21) context, and twist it into a command from Jesus to JWs, to preach their kingdom message door-to-door. Then, they use their flawed exegesis to condemn all Christians who don't preach their (replacement theology) kingdom message or go door-to-door. But Matt. 24:14 is not a command for pre-tribulation believers; it's a prophecy, to be fulfilled during the Tribulation.

Better to exegete Matt. 24 and 25 in their context, namely the Tribulation and the time of Christ's return, than to take passages out of context in order to extrapolate "commandments" for the church from them. If RW is mistaken as to the (Tribulation) context of Matt. 24 and 25, and as to who the "my brethren" are of Matt. 25, then he's making an invalid application of this chapter to the church, IMO.

[truthwarrior]

First of all, how would he know whether one who discerns and calls out apostasy does not also give to the poor and help the helpless?

Secondly, Matthew 25 deals specifically with Israel and prophecy, but I guess he wouldn't know prophecy.

Third, boy these guys are really sensitive about this and can't seem to let it go too well can they? I thought they were above the discernment crowd and wanted to spread their brotherly love by being "above" the fray.

[OnceWasLost]

I need to get my purpose drivel decoder ring to find the subliminal message where Jesus tells us not to discern or examine doctrine.

[His Bride]

I almost wanted him back in my avatar....but, on second thought, I can't stomach him anymore, even plastered on RR.

I don't get it. They DO know what scripture teaches about testing all teachings with the Word of God. How can they even dare to hold themselves above this?

Stand back...lightning could strike at any time...


2 Tim 4:2 "preach the word; be ready in season, and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. Bu you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your minstry...I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith"

[JoelH]

The statement by Warren in fact backfires at him squarely for serious Bible students: it shows he is ignorant of the proper historical-grammatical contexts of Matthew 25, which chiliast, truthwarrior and talked about. It can only deceive those who have been fed popular fads of theology. Even if you accept the "mainstream evangelical" interpretation of the bretherns spoken by Jesus as other Christians or those in need, the Parable of Ten Virgins will backfire squarely on his claim that discernment ministries are careless on Matthew 25, because according to the "mainstream evangelical" interpretation, that parable speaks of Christians who aren't careful in living and engage in sin with the world!

[BrideOfChrist]

I almost wanted him back in my avatar....but, on second thought, I can't stomach him anymore, even plastered on RR.

I don't get it. They DO know what scripture teaches about testing all teachings with the Word of God. How can they even dare to hold themselves above this?

Stand back...lightning could strike at any time...


2 Tim 4:2 "preach the word; be ready in season, and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. Bu you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your minstry...I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith"

Indeed. Pride comes before a fall. His arrogance is astounding.

[icebear]

i tried, but i don't see how anyone in their right mind can extrapolate what warren is claiming from that set of verses!

[logosone]

Twitter is about the most useless
platform that tech has devised, and
I see it's serving RW's purposeless drivel

[billiefan2000]

First of all, how would he know whether one who discerns and calls out apostasy does not also give to the poor and help the helpless?

Secondly, Matthew 25 deals specifically with Israel and prophecy, but I guess he wouldn't know prophecy.

Third, boy these guys are really sensitive about this and can't seem to let it go too well can they? I thought they were above the discernment crowd and wanted to spread their brotherly love by being "above" the fray.

1. it is about control for emergents and seeker guys.


the you dont care about the helpless and homeless and poor line has been used as a scare tactic by emergents and other liberal christians

as a way to scare people out of using discernment or praying for people or talking about prophecy



2. Rick and others like him believe studying bible prophecy is a distraction. so you are right he dont know much about prophecy.


3. I think they are worried they are going to be exposed.

They cant handle on anti-ODM bloggers anymore to do damage control for them

so they are screaming and trying to scare people from either accidently coming on discernment sites or using discernment

[truthwarrior]

1. it is about control for emergents and seeker guys.


the you dont care about the helpless and homeless and poor line has been used as a scare tactic by emergents and other liberal christians

as a way to scare people out of using discernment or praying for people or talking about prophecy



2. Rick and others like him believe studying bible prophecy is a distraction. so you are right he dont know much about prophecy.


3. I think they are worried they are going to be exposed.

They cant handle on anti-ODM bloggers anymore to do damage control for them

so they are screaming and trying to scare people from either accidently coming on discernment sites or using discernment

exactly!!!

[RefinedbyFire]

The statement by Warren in fact backfires at him squarely for serious Bible students: it shows he is ignorant of the proper historical-grammatical contexts of Matthew 25, which chiliast, truthwarrior and talked about. It can only deceive those who have been fed popular fads of theology. Even if you accept the "mainstream evangelical" interpretation of the bretherns spoken by Jesus as other Christians or those in need, the Parable of Ten Virgins will backfire squarely on his claim that discernment ministries are careless on Matthew 25, because according to the "mainstream evangelical" interpretation, that parable speaks of Christians who aren't careful in living and engage in sin with the world!

That is what I was thinking, too, about Matthew 25. I read in a Bible commentary that those verses deal with the treatment of the Jews during the Tribulation period, because Jesus uses the phrase "brethren of mine", He is talking about the Jews.

I realize as Christians, in general, though, we should be helping others (of course) with different needs, and be living for the Lord daily, prepared for His return, and not caught off-guard. We should keep our "oil lamps" full. Correct?

[His Bride]

It's so silly. Just because believers are using their God given discernment to hold him accountable, suddenly he can judge those he calls judgmental. Isn't that consider deflection...or is it projection?

[JoelH]

That is what I was thinking, too, about Matthew 25. I read in a Bible commentary that those verses deal with the treatment of the Jews during the Tribulation period, because Jesus uses the phrase "brethren of mine", He is talking about the Jews.

I realize as Christians, in general, though, we should be helping others (of course) with different needs, and be living for the Lord daily, prepared for His return, and not caught off-guard. We should keep our "oil lamps" full. Correct?

This is what we must do, but I believe a better case of teaching about helping those in need, should be from Romans 12:9-21, Galatians 6:6-10, Hebrews 13:1-3, James 1:5. Matthew 25 in contexts are directly applicable to the Tribulation Period.

Of course this would mean we must regard the Epistles to the Church in the Bible as equally inspired as the Synoptic Gospels, which will be a big anathema to the liberals. (A lot of the evangelical Left regard Paul's epistles as less inspired in degrees than the Gospels - this is the essence of the "Red Letter Christians" of the conservative type. The liberal types would declare Pauline Epistles as non-Scriptures!)

[OtherSideOfTheBoat]

Matthew 25:42-43:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

You could interpret from these verses we should to these five things. To say that those talking about the compromised church do NONE of these things is a lie. It is not just a lie, it is a public written intentional lie which libels God's people. Rick needs to repent of his sin that he publicy preaches.

[billiefan2000]

It's so silly. Just because believers are using their God given discernment to hold him accountable, suddenly he can judge those he calls judgmental. Isn't that consider deflection...or is it projection?

I think he is trying to deflect attention from himself. The fact he and Perry Noble and his group are become bothered by discerning christians means they are trying to deflect the attention on them and are hiding something

[RefinedbyFire]

This is what we must do, but I believe a better case of teaching about helping those in need, should be from Romans 12:9-21, Galatians 6:6-10, Hebrews 13:1-3, James 1:5. Matthew 25 in contexts are directly applicable to the Tribulation Period.

Of course this would mean we must regard the Epistles to the Church in the Bible as equally inspired as the Synoptic Gospels, which will be a big anathema to the liberals. (A lot of the evangelical Left regard Paul's epistles as less inspired in degrees than the Gospels - this is the essence of the "Red Letter Christians" of the conservative type. The liberal types would declare Pauline Epistles as non-Scriptures!)

Thanks for those verses! I think that is great that you are a Bible student.