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  • #16
    2007 Pre-Trib Study Group Conference papers



    Arnold Fruchtenbaum Use of the Old Testament in the Book of Revelation

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=340

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Fruchten...eOldTestam.pdf



    Robert Dean The Meaning of Angels in Revelation 2 & 3

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=335

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Dean-The...ofAngelsin.pdf



    David Larsen A Brief History of the Interpretation of the Book of Revelation

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=332

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Larsen-A...oryoftheIn.pdf



    Andy Woods A Case for the Futurist Interpretation of the Book of

    Revelation


    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=333

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Woods-AC...eFuturistI.pdf



    David Hocking The Rapture in the Book of Revelation

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=334

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Hocking-...inRevelati.pdf



    Gregory Harris A Biblical View of the Wound of the Beast in Revelation 13

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=336

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Harris-C...isetheDead.pdf



    John Whitcomb The Two Witnesses: First or Second Half of the Tribulation?

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=337

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Whitcomb...essesFirst.pdf



    Ron Bigalke A Comparison of the Olivet Discourse & the Book of Revelation

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=339

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Bigalke-...noftheOliv.pdf



    John Niemela Revelation 5, the 24 Elders and the Rapture

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=331

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Niemela-...5TheTwenty.pdf



    Robert Congdon The New Heavens and New Earth

    http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=338

    http://www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Congdon-...eNewHeaven.pdf

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    • #17
      John Ankerberg Show

      You can download iTunes and automatically download podcasts of the John Ankerberg Show. You don't need an iPod to listen, just listen on your computer. I listen to his show regularly. You have to check it fairly often, they don't upload their podcasts daily, but when a whole series is finished. I would suspect this series would pop up after Jan 20. They also tend to correlate with his TV show. Some great series he has had.

      I also do this with Prophecy Today Weekend, Greg Lauries's A New Beginning. All three of these series make my daily drive easier and informative. denny

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      • #18
        I have that whole debate on DVD as well as the post debate reviews. It is awesome. Made Hank look foolish to say the least.

        But listening to him when I had XM radio I realized he was basically a Roman Catholic anyway.

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        • #19
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          Great news:

          The Mark Hitchcock – Hank Hanegraaff debate can now be viewed FREE online at the Pre-Trib Research Center website:


          Debate on the Date of the Book of Revelation

          http://www.pre-trib.org/videos/rev-debate


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          Also now available free online is Dr. Mark Hitchcock’s Dallas Theological Seminary doctoral dissertation on the date of the book of Revelation:

          http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/hit...ssertation.pdf

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          Why is the date of the book of Revelation so important?

          It's one way to prove that Preterism is false.

          (Preterism teaches that most of the book of Revelation was fulfilled back in the first century.)

          As Dr. Thomas Ice explains it:

          Preterists teach that the Book of Revelation is primarily a prophecy about the Roman war against the Jews in Israel that began in A.D. 67 and ended with the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70.

          In order for Revelation to be a prediction of the future (Rev. 1:1, 3, 11, 19; 22:6-10, 16, 18-20) and if it was fulfilled by August A.D. 70, then it had to have been written by A.D. 65 or 66 for the preterist interpretation to even be a possibility.

          Preterist Ken Gentry has noted this major weakness when he said of fellow early date advocate David Chilton, “if it could be demonstrated that Revelation were written 25 years after the Fall of Jerusalem, Chilton's entire labor would go up in smoke.”

          Actually, all one would have to do is to show that Revelation was written any time after the destruction of Jerusalem.

          The futurists interpretation is not dependant upon the date of Revelation since it does not matter when these events take place since they are still future to our own time.

          However, the date of Revelation is essential to the preterist position and explains why they are so focused upon defending an early date.
          http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...heBookofRe.pdf
          Last edited by KeepWatching; August 8th, 2011, 02:43 PM.

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          • #20
            Must have seen a different debate

            I watched the debate - {Mod Snip} Rule 15 {Mod Snip}
            Last edited by Steve53; October 7th, 2011, 05:30 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lordsknight View Post
              I watched the debate - {Mod Snip} Rule 15 {Mod Snip}
              Well look what Augustine via Calvin blew in! LOL

              I have had that debate in my library since it was available for purchase. Mark Hitchcock made Hank look like hamburger, mostly because Hank resorted to name calling and Calvinist rhetoric. The selective out of context Scripture quotes by Hank just add to his ludicrous display of unbelief. Anyone who is baptized as a baby and taught in the Calvinist mindset or buys into it, always thinks they are in the IN group, just like the RCC's. Well what do you expect for RCC lites?
              Last edited by Steve53; October 7th, 2011, 05:29 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Anchorofhope View Post
                Well look what Augustine via Calvin blew in! LOL
                Don't panic! Just be Rapture Ready.

                Joel 3:2

                I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Anchorofhope View Post
                  ... Anyone who is baptized as a baby and taught in the Calvinist mindset or buys into it, always thinks they are in the IN group, just like the RCC's. Well what do you expect for RCC lites?
                  "RCC lite" - Good one!

                  I know you must already know this but here's a brief elaboration for anyone else who's interested:

                  God certainly did use the "great Reformers" (people like Calvin and Luther) to clarify soteriological doctrines (the doctrines of salvation).

                  By applying a literal hermeneutic (literal interpretation) to Scripture, these Reformers came to realize that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone, not by works.

                  That truth alone was an enormous battle for them to fight. They faced bitter opposition from the Roman Catholic Church.

                  Sadly, yet understandably, the Reformers' time was so focused on fighting the soteriological battles, they never got around to applying a literal hermeneutic to eschatology (the study of Bible prophecy). If they had, they would've discovered that there will be a literal, future, pre-Trib Rapture, 7-year Tribulation period, Millennial reign of Christ, etc.

                  Instead, the Reformers continued to accept the old amillennial eschatology (which denies the literal future 1000-year reign of Christ) taught by the Roman Catholic Church.

                  Even more sadly, vast numbers of the Reformers' modern-day heirs continue to cling to the old amillennial Roman Catholic garbage, and look down their noses at those of us who accept the wonderful Biblical truths that God has revealed about the future Rapture and Millennium.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by KeepWatching View Post
                    "RCC lite" - Good one!

                    I know you must already know this but here's a brief elaboration for anyone else who's interested:

                    God certainly did use the "great Reformers" (people like Calvin and Luther) to clarify soteriological doctrines (the doctrines of salvation).

                    By applying a literal hermeneutic (literal interpretation) to Scripture, these Reformers came to realize that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone, not by works.

                    That truth alone was an enormous battle for them to fight. They faced bitter opposition from the Roman Catholic Church.

                    Sadly, yet understandably, the Reformers' time was so focused on fighting the soteriological battles, they never got around to applying a literal hermeneutic to eschatology (the study of Bible prophecy). If they had, they would've discovered that there will be a literal, future, pre-Trib Rapture, 7-year Tribulation period, Millennial reign of Christ, etc.

                    Instead, the Reformers continued to accept the old amillennial eschatology (which denies the literal future 1000-year reign of Christ) taught by the Roman Catholic Church.

                    Even more sadly, vast numbers of the Reformers' modern-day heirs continue to cling to the old amillennial Roman Catholic garbage, and look down their noses at those of us who accept the wonderful Biblical truths that God has revealed about the future Rapture and Millennium.


                    And it also explains why so many in the old line reformed churches are also replacement as to the Church vs. Israel matter.
                    There is One King, and He is not this guy. sigpic

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                    • #25
                      Mark Hitchcock also has "The Complete Book of Bible Prophecy" which I have literally worn out!

                      Donnie

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DONNIE View Post
                        Mark Hitchcock also has "The Complete Book of Bible Prophecy" which I have literally worn out!

                        Donnie
                        Do you have a link for that? I would like to get it.

                        But, I have another book recommend even if they don't agree with all that we claim to believe, the rest is very informative.

                        —•— Part One: The Spirit of the Antichrist
                        —•— Part Two: The Many Antichrists—Biblical
                        —•— Part Three: The Many Antichrists—Historical
                        —•— Part Four: The Milieu of the Antichrist
                        —•— Part Five: The False Prophet
                        —•— Part Six: The Final Antichrist

                        This is not like so many books which attempt to name a specific person to be named as the Antichrist or to make a case that the ultimate Antichrist can only come from a particular place or background. Scripture teaches us that he will be revealed to the faithful church by Christ, and this work provides the tools and background to accomplish this at the appointed time.

                        It is highly recommended that this work be read in tandem with The Dilemma of Laodicea, Jacob's book on the seven churches in Revelation which provides a platform of understanding how the spirit of antichrist has been at work during every age of the Church and particularly in this final age characterized by the church at Laodicea.
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