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  • #16
    I saw this book in the bookstore several weeks ago but didn't buy it then. As I usually do, I did a little research on it before purchasing. When I saw that several people here thought the theology was pretty sound, I went ahead and purchased the book last night. Interestingly, my wife even said that she may want to read it after me...which almost never happens.

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    • #17
      I just got the book from my church....I wasn't sure if it was good for me to read or not....I guess I will read it now... Thanks all!
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      • #18
        So...I'm on the Fourth Harbinger in the book (up late last night reading) and it hit me...Israel's response to the first couple Harbingers (and likewise, America's) are yet another parallel to that of the world's response to the 21 Judgements leading up to the Second Coming...defiance. Just like Israel and America, there were (or will be) those that see the judgements for what they are...a call to national repentence...and those people were/will be ridiculed and persecuted. It's sad really...how history seems to repeat like this.

        Still reading...

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        • #19
          Revelation 9:17
          And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.



          I always though these colours were significant. They are the component colours of every computer printer. Magenta, Cyan, and Yellow.


          I know my printer is a cursed beast sometimes........
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          • #20
            As they say, "coincidences are not kosher".

            I came across another reference in Amos 5:4-12 to "houses of hewn stone":

            (4) For thus says the LORD to the house of Israel:
            " Seek Me and live;
            (5) But do not seek Bethel,
            Nor enter Gilgal,
            Nor pass over to Beersheba;
            For Gilgal shall surely go into captivity,
            And Bethel shall come to nothing.
            (6) Seek the LORD and live,
            Lest He break out like fire in the house of Joseph,
            And devour it,
            With no one to quench it in Bethel—
            (7) You who turn justice to wormwood,
            And lay righteousness to rest in the earth!"
            (8) He made the Pleiades and Orion;
            He turns the shadow of death into morning
            And makes the day dark as night;
            He calls for the waters of the sea
            And pours them out on the face of the earth;
            The LORD is His name.
            (9) He rains ruin upon the strong,
            So that fury comes upon the fortress.
            (10) They hate the one who rebukes in the gate,
            And they abhor the one who speaks uprightly.
            (11) Therefore, because you tread down the poor
            And take grain taxes from him,
            Though you have built houses of hewn stone,
            Yet you shall not dwell in them;
            You have planted pleasant vineyards,
            But you shall not drink wine from them.

            (12) For I know your manifold transgressions
            And your mighty sins:
            Afflicting the just and taking bribes;
            Diverting the poor from justice at the gate.

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            • #21
              Jan Markell & Jonathan Cahn talk about his book "The Harbinger"

              I have just listened to Jan Markell & Jonathan Cahn at her Website talking about his book "The Harbinger". In my opinion, we are indeed at the end of this age, and how I pray Jesus comes very, very, VERY soon now!

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              • #22
                I saw the author on Jewish Voice talking about this the other day. It was pretty interesting. I am thinking of getting the book. Things are not looking good for America...

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                • #23
                  My husband and I are actually in the process of reading this book -- it's an excellent read! It is written in a fictional style, but with the facts based in real events. Our pastor actually took time out of our verse-by-verse study to discuss the facts presented in the book -- and he made sure to research them and talked to the author before presenting this to our church. It was amazing & sobering! America truly stands at the brink. I am praying for revival, especially within our churches, because judgment begins at the house of God, and if we are His people, we need to humble ourselves and pray, and turn away from our sin, and then He will hear us and heal our land.

                  I think the storms, EQ's, social unrest, etc. are some of God's wake-up calls to get our attention. Not out of wrath, but out of mercy.

                  Praying for America to WAKE UP!

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                  • #24
                    I've not read the book myself. I did read a review/perspective on the book from someone I highly respect... so I thought I'd post a link to his critique for additional perspective and commentary:

                    https://gracethrufaith.com/selah/a-c...the-harbinger/
                    Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Romans 12:12

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                    • #25
                      Oy vey! Very, very interesting. I, also, pray for revival rather than God's judgment. At this point, I see God's judgment though - this country learned NOTHING from 9/11. As hard as it is to believe, we are even more godless, immoral and corrupt as a nation than we were 10 years ago. Also, this current administration has not only turned its back on God's chosen people, Israel, it has done everything it can to actually help Israel's enemies. What choice does the righteous God have but to judge us? There's nothing else He can do and this country deserves it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by HumbleBerean

                        Heres a documentary about the same issues as the book and talks about Jonathan Cahn and his book Harbinger.
                        Well, I just finished watching the video that is linked to in the quote directly above, and, all that I can say is... "Wow!!"

                        I had read a few "surface" things about this "Harbinger stuff"; but, I really did not have any in-depth idea at all about what all of this was about until I watched the video that is linked to in HumbleBerean's quote above.

                        All that I can say after having now watched this video is that the United States of America is in **big trouble**, because, an even more horrendous and terrible judgment from Almighty God Himself than were the 9/11 attacks might be coming down upon the United States **At any time now!!**


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                        • #27
                          Our upcoming election is symptomatic of the sinful ills this country is suffering. Our choices - an uber-left leaning liberal godless socialist and a member of a religious cult. Is it any wonder God is lifting His hand of protection from the US?

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                          • #28
                            I listened to the two-part interview on Jan Markell's show yesterday and today, via the internet.

                            I am curious, and I'll watch the video later when I have time. Something bothers me, however, that I'd like to get an answer to:

                            I don't understand why it is wrong to rebuild the world trade center after the buildings were destroyed by terrorists.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Reason&Hope View Post
                              I listened to the two-part interview on Jan Markell's show yesterday and today, via the internet.

                              I am curious, and I'll watch the video later when I have time. Something bothers me, however, that I'd like to get an answer to:

                              I don't understand why it is wrong to rebuild the world trade center after the buildings were destroyed by terrorists.
                              It"s not so much that rebuilding is wrong. There was no acknowledgement or repentance of our nations sin or even a hint that we as a nation should turn to God for guidance. Same old we will, instead of God's will.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Reason&Hope View Post
                                I listened to the two-part interview on Jan Markell's show yesterday and today, via the internet.

                                I am curious, and I'll watch the video later when I have time. Something bothers me, however, that I'd like to get an answer to:

                                I don't understand why it is wrong to rebuild the world trade center after the buildings were destroyed by terrorists.
                                Isaiah 9:9-13
                                9And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,

                                10The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

                                11Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;

                                12The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

                                13For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts

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                                The premise behind the Harbinger and the documentary and the interview is that 9-11 was a judgement from God that parallels the passage of scripture above. God removed the hedge of protection and allowed the evil of the terrorists to be used for judgement against a nation. Instead of turning to God in repentence and fear, America proclaimed that we will rebuild the towers bigger and better. There is much much more. Eerie.

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