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  • #46
    Originally posted by makeupgirl View Post
    But alcohol is also used as an antispetic and was used by then for surgical purposes.

    I think alcohol is in or was in Nyquil (which explains a lot of stuff...lol), plus Nyquil tastes like vodka

    Bear is a natural laxative and can be use as a conditioner for your hair.

    Wine, especially the red wines is a natural hair coloring.

    Also for food flavoring,

    Beer can be used for catching bugs.

    So there are good and bad purposes for alcohol.
    Yea,beer is used to catch slugs.

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    • #47
      Go Biblical on this, that is what we believe. Nowhere in scripture is imbibing in alcohol forbidden for believers; in fact, we can see from the wedding feast, and the contrasting between John the Baptist and Jesus, that Jesus did indeed drink alcohol. Drinking alcohol is not a sin.

      "Drunkards" not entering into the kingdom; anyone outside of Christ that engages in long-term drunkenness will not get into Heaven, for their label follows them because they are held up to the law. The amazing thing about being placed into Christ by faith, is that all other labels disappear; murderer, glutton, drunkard, Jew, Gentile, Male, Female, etc... and we are all equal, and maintained in that equality by the removal of the law against us.

      Having said all that; our main concern as believers is that we don't cause another to stumble in our freedom. If I'm around an alcoholic, I'm neither going to drink, nor offer them one.

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      • #48
        Isnt "drunkeness" about false religion?

        Not actually anything to do with drinking...
        I accept nothing from man as truth...
        only that, One is the truth. (John 14-6)

        Pre-Flood/Pre-Trib (Genesis 5-24)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pistos View Post
          Isnt "drunkeness" about false religion?

          Not actually anything to do with drinking...
          I would say it depends on context, and specific scripture; did you have one in mind?

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          • #50
            Getting drunk is foolishness. The reprucussions are many and often short lived. Drunk drivers however often face lifetime wounds.


            But when times get tough, self conviction starts its work, and you run to the god of wine.... it is idolitry.

            Refusing to deal with reality - living the lie - trusting a bottle to solve your problems....

            Its all faithlessness, and without faith, none enter God's Kingdom.


            Stupidity, God forgives. The young convert struggling to be mature, is healed at the Cross.

            But those who choose the wine over the Vine..... have no place.
            It's ALL about Jesus. The Son of God - Emanuel - The Mighty God - Our Salvation.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kliska View Post
              Go Biblical on this, that is what we believe. Nowhere in scripture is imbibing in alcohol forbidden for believers; in fact, we can see from the wedding feast, and the contrasting between John the Baptist and Jesus, that Jesus did indeed drink alcohol. Drinking alcohol is not a sin.

              "Drunkards" not entering into the kingdom; anyone outside of Christ that engages in long-term drunkenness will not get into Heaven, for their label follows them because they are held up to the law. The amazing thing about being placed into Christ by faith, is that all other labels disappear; murderer, glutton, drunkard, Jew, Gentile, Male, Female, etc... and we are all equal, and maintained in that equality by the removal of the law against us.

              Having said all that; our main concern as believers is that we don't cause another to stumble in our freedom. If I'm around an alcoholic, I'm neither going to drink, nor offer them one.
              Amen, extremely well said
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              • #52
                A glass of wine is ok but you need to know when to stop.If one glass leads to another and another then you should take a look at the under lieing problem.Some people drink to self medicate themselves because their is a serious problem within which they are afraid to take a look at.Some people drink because they are at a party and that is the only way that they will feel social.I think these reasons could become a problem and to take a look at.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Wally View Post
                  Getting drunk is foolishness. The reprucussions are many and often short lived. Drunk drivers however often face lifetime wounds.


                  But when times get tough, self conviction starts its work, and you run to the god of wine.... it is idolitry.

                  Refusing to deal with reality - living the lie - trusting a bottle to solve your problems....

                  Its all faithlessness, and without faith, none enter God's Kingdom.


                  Stupidity, God forgives. The young convert struggling to be mature, is healed at the Cross.

                  But those who choose the wine over the Vine..... have no place.
                  Your post is confusing and ambiguous to me. Are you speaking about people who are alcoholics given to alcohol addiction or anyone who has a drink or somewhere in between?

                  You raise the issue of salvation, one that clearly condemns a lot of people in your spray and presents a serious charge against any number of people not clearly defined by your post. Are these believers or unbelievers? Struggling alcoholics? Moderate or occasional drinkers? I think it merits clarification on your part.

                  Does the same standard apply to those given to dependence on food, medicine or money? For example, the person who scrambles to stuff a block of chocolate or highly saturated fat and sodium laden burger each day – even against the advice of a doctor due to a lifelong dependence on food and poor dieting, the person has developed life-threatening disease? Or the person who adamantly trusts in money over and above the Lord, to such a point of selfish ambition that it causes other brethren to stumble in their faith?

                  Faithlessness is faithlessness, regardless isn’t it? Or do we establish a different set of standards and criteria for these people given to such dependences?

                  I repost your post paraphrased below, with money replacing alcohol as the object of stumbling:



                  But when times get tough, self conviction starts its work, and you run to the god of money.... it is idolitry.

                  Refusing to deal with reality - living the lie - trusting a buck to solve your problems....

                  Its all faithlessness, and without faith, none enter God's Kingdom.


                  Stupidity, God forgives. The young convert struggling to be mature, is healed at the Cross.

                  But those who choose the dime over the Vine..... have no place.
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                  • #54
                    No one's getting cast out of heaven because they had a glass of wine with dinner.

                    I think, of anyone on the board, I have the biggest axe to grind against alcohol: It damaged me for life. I have been the victim of domestic violence because he was drunk. I lost my mother to it. My husband is enslaved to it.

                    Now, having said all that, I'll repeat myself: no one's going to hell because they had a glass of wine with dinner.

                    Me, I avoid it. I'd be thrilled if my husband never bought another wine box. But am I going to tell my Dad (a very moderate drinker) he can't have one? No.

                    Am I going to tell you not to drink? No.

                    It's really not our place to judge another believer like that.

                    However, that said, if I know alcohol is a problem for you, I'm going to make my husband put up his wine box and I will not offer you any when you come over, either. I'll remove temptation so I don't make you stumble. I WISH people would do that, with me, in regards to sugar, instead of telling me a bite won't hurt.

                    We have to be careful that we don't get caught up in legalism. THAT, my friends, will damage our witness.

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                    Isaiah 6:8 I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “ Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?”

                    Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

                    Matthew 22:9 NIV
                    'So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’


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                    • #55
                      Lets get this clear.Alcoholics are still saved by Jesus Christ if they have given their lives to him.NO WAY is a Christian alcoholic going to hell.Yes,a Christian can stumble and fall just like anyone else.

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                      • #56
                        Yup.

                        I am dead serious when I say my sugar addiction is just as sinful as another's crack addiction. We are both disrespecting our bodies.

                        " I have had an increasing burden to engage in some down and dirty, street evangelism." March 6, 2010

                        Isaiah 6:8 I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “ Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?”

                        Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

                        Matthew 22:9 NIV
                        'So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’


                        I'm praying for you daily!
                        I get my Bibles here

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Acts5:41 View Post
                          Yup.

                          I am dead serious when I say my sugar addiction is just as sinful as another's crack addiction. We are both disrespecting our bodies.
                          Yes,Their are alot of addictions in this evil world.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by $teve View Post
                            Your post is confusing and ambiguous to me.
                            Wally's post was speaking of the unsaved.

                            Born again believers go to Heaven.
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