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    Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:18

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
    Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
    I personally believe that there are several reasons. Ultimately we aren't told blatantly in scripture, so all we can do is trust God, as in other things not directly discussed.

    However, I do believe it plays into the ultimate plan for the ultimate good for those who love God. We are indeed told that God enters into all things for good for those that love Him so that we can be conformed to the image of His Son. I do not think in any way that we were forced to sin, nor that Satan was forced to sin, but once the rebellions started, the best outcome is what God is aiming for. There is nothing to say that Adam would have kept himself from sinning without Satan around. As is obvious when Adam tried to blame Satan for his sin, God would have none of it. So, I do believe Satan is kept around for a particular outcome, including being a teaching tool.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kliska View Post
      I personally believe that there are several reasons. Ultimately we aren't told blatantly in scripture, so all we can do is trust God, as in other things not directly discussed.

      However, I do believe it plays into the ultimate plan for the ultimate good for those who love God. We are indeed told that God enters into all things for good for those that love Him so that we can be conformed to the image of His Son. I do not think in any way that we were forced to sin, nor that Satan was forced to sin, but once the rebellions started, the best outcome is what God is aiming for. There is nothing to say that Adam would have kept himself from sinning without Satan around. As is obvious when Adam tried to blame Satan for his sin, God would have none of it. So, I do believe Satan is kept around for a particular outcome, including being a teaching tool.
      I think you are right, I was just remember some of Jack Kelley's teaching and he said that he believe the devil will be bound during the millinium to prove that even with the absence of the devil and his angels man will still sin. It will be to show us we cannot blame it on satan, but ourselves. so i guess nobody will be able to use the excuse "the devil made me do it"
      For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:18

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
        Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
        Actually he still has access to heaven. The kick out occurs at trib mid point.

        This is what makes it even move amazing!!!

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        • #5
          Satan is part of this whole plan for earth/man. He fits into this whole scene for bringing God's plan to fruition.

          The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world so this was all in the works beforehand. Not that God creates evil, mind you, but what ensued was known ahead of time.

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          • #6
            It's purpose, as I see it, is that it gave the opportunity for us (and the angels) to have freewill, as you need two direct opposites to choose from for it to be true love.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
              Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
              As we know, we can offer opinions on this, we'll wait for the full answers on the other side.

              The angels are immortal beings, so "destoying" is not, decreed not to be, an option. The Lord gives us an overriding principle, to give Him glory, to make His riches and mercy known to those created. It does that better than if he was just thrown into the pit. The mercy and grace shown to me, personally, makes it easier to understand God and His dealings with others, even angels. I do know the "why", love does what love does, mercy and grace are just who God is, they go to all as undeserved chances, underserved time to repent, undeserved grace to live another day. I would suspect the answer as to why the Lord did what He did is fundamentally answered in one word, love.
              Don't panic! Just be Rapture Ready.

              Joel 3:2

              I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sea Shelly View Post
                It's purpose, as I see it, is that it gave the opportunity for us (and the angels) to have freewill, as you need two direct opposites to choose from for it to be true love.
                Just a note; God and Satan are not direct opposites. God is so far above Satan, as He is above us, it is important to remember that. Satan can only operate and survive by God allowing him too, and he can only pester us by seeking permission.

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                • #9
                  satan challenged God. He challenged Him within the relm of timelessness.

                  His challenge also effected our existance within the boundries of our creation. Within time.

                  Just how is probably beyond our comprehension.


                  Perhaps the temptation of man coincided with the rebellion,
                  perhaps God limited His perception in Creation so that satan was able to get away with something,

                  perhaps trying to figure it out simply pushes us into science fiction drama, barely worthy only of paperback publication....


                  But God is Holy and Just. He is all Truth. His ways are perfect. We can trust Him.


                  We may not have the whole story, but we do know that the chain of events involving satan,
                  also involved God's very personal involvement with His creation.

                  An involvement that would require such intimacy, love, and sacrifice.


                  Our faith is in Christ who clearly asked the Father - If there was any other way...

                  Believing is trusting. Trusting God's wisdom.
                  Somehow in God's dealing with satan, there is an incredible blessing for us.


                  Although the dime-store novel may be an entertaining read,

                  Child-like faith is the best way to regard this question. The Father knows what He is doing.

                  It's ALL about Jesus. The Son of God - Emanuel - The Mighty God - Our Salvation.

                  John 1:1-3 NKJV --- Luke 22:42 NKJV --Romans 3:23 NKJV, Rom 5:8 NKJV, Rom 8:28 NKJV, Rom 8:31 NKJV, Rom8:38-39 NKJV, ---Titus 1:2 NKJV - Heb 6:18 NKJV --- John 14:6 NKJV --- 1 John 5:13 NKJV --- Acts 16:29-31 NKJV ... John 6:28-29 NKJV... 1John 2:22 NKJV... Heb 10:11-13 NKJV

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
                    Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
                    Free Will
                    I agree with Sea Shelly that free will is probably an important part of the answer.

                    God is all-powerful. He could have kept all His power and glory to Himself. Instead, He wanted to share His love (e.g., maybe kind of like good earthly parents who want children). He created the angels, whom He gave free will, but even in perfect conditions some of them rebelled. When He created mankind, He gave us free will, too. Our conditions may not be as good as the angels had, but, on the other hand, we can "fall" and still be redeemed. Out of love for us, Jesus died to take the punishment for our sins and to be a bridge to the Lord and Heaven (John 3:16-17, John 15:13).

                    By letting us live on this "boarding school" of earth, the Lord gives us a chance to: (1) hear about salvation through Jesus alone; (2) experience good things (indicative of God and Heaven) and (3) experience bad things (indicative of Satan and Hell). God wants us to love Him and spend eternity with Him, but love isn't love if it is forced, so He gave us free will to choose our path. Although His word and our experiences make it very clear that Jesus (and Heaven) is the best choice, He won't force us to make that choice.

                    Appreciation
                    One wonders if appreciation might play a part in it, too. Thinking first in earthly terms, many people might not truly appreciate: a good job until they lose it, .....electricity until there is a power failure, .....running water until the pipes break, .....their health until they lose it, .....a fireman until their house starts to burn down, .....the trash men until they miss a week, and so on. Being forced to do without things like that can be one of the hardest, yet most eminently instructional ways to learn to appreciate something. One might say that the extent of a person's level of appreciation is based largely on the gain or the loss of it. For example:

                    (A) If someone has always lived in the lap of luxury, they will probably never realize quite how well-off they are. [perhaps like the fallen angels who rebelled]
                    (B) If someone has always lived in the lap of luxury in the past, but then loses it for a while, they will probably appreciate it more than someone who never had to do without.
                    (C) If someone never did live in the lap of luxury, they will probably appreciate luxury the most.

                    If we were given Heaven outright, it seems logical that we would not appreciate it as much as if we had to first experience the vicissitudes of life that Satan has caused on earth. Like the Bible says: Prov 20:21 An inheritance quickly gained at the beginning will not be blessed at the end. Because we have experienced the joys (that hint of Heaven) and the sad things (that hint of Hell), it seems logical that those experiences will not only help us long for and choose Heaven, but also appreciate it more when we get there.

                    Finally, although much of our learning and appreciation may be gained the hard way, we can be encouraged by 2 Cor 4:17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.

                    Thank you, Mary Rae, for your lovely picture!

                    "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21
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                    • #11
                      Pastor JD Farag (Aloha Bible Prophecy) actually addresses this in his Mid East Prophecy update this week.

                      He basically says that if God has simply abolished Satan, then everyone would be forced to worship God out of fear rather than making a choice to worship God. Its worth watching - his explanation starts about half way through.
                      "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
                        Why do you suppose that God only kicked satan out of heaven rather than simply throwing him into hell or destroying him on the spot? Why let him come down and corrupt what He had created?
                        I've wondered that myself. I keep falling back on, our ways are not Gods ways. We as humans cannot function and rationalize on Gods level/plane. We are locked in time and He is not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sea Shelly View Post
                          It's purpose, as I see it, is that it gave the opportunity for us (and the angels) to have freewill, as you need two direct opposites to choose from for it to be true love.
                          but this statement supposes that there would never have been a choice had satan not sinned. Satan was blammed for Eve eating the apple, but it was her choice to make regardless of whether satan had been there or not. The choice was always there, satan just made it easier.

                          We don't need satan in the picture to choose the wrong choice, perhaps this is one of the things the milinnial kingdom will prove
                          For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:18

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
                            I think you are right, I was just remember some of Jack Kelley's teaching and he said that he believe the devil will be bound during the millinium to prove that even with the absence of the devil and his angels man will still sin. It will be to show us we cannot blame it on satan, but ourselves. so i guess nobody will be able to use the excuse "the devil made me do it"
                            Interesting.... never thought of that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Robinbobbin View Post

                              He basically says that if God has simply abolished Satan, then everyone would be forced to worship God out of fear rather than making a choice to worship God.
                              hmm..I'm not sure about that.
                              We have 'free will' apart from Satan.
                              I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.
                              For the LORD God is a sun and shield; the LORD bestows favor and honor;
                              no good thing does He withhold from those whose walk is blameless.

                              Psalm 84:10-11

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