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  • #16
    Originally posted by Larbear View Post
    I agree, and I also believe that Obama's current position regarding Israel is the reason America is not mentioned in the end times scenario....
    I wouldn't give our narcissist in chief that much credit.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by carol1948 View Post
      The only way I see a lull coming is if Romney is elected. That would mean that once again Israel could depend on support from the U.S.

      I really think Romney has a very good chance of winning especially considering all the prayers God's people are sending up for that result. However, I wonder if tptb will sit idly by and watch Obama lose after they've come this far. What might they have up their sleeve? Whatever it is it won't be good for America, Jews and/or Christians.
      Originally posted by Steve53 View Post
      I wouldn't give our narcissist in chief that much credit.
      Why would the progress of prophecy be contingent upon what happens in America and specifically the outcome of American elections, and even more specifically one man's foreign policy intentions? It's a much bigger world out there and while America is part of it, it's only a part, not the be and end all.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by $teve View Post
        Why would the progress of prophecy be contingent upon what happens in America and specifically the outcome of American elections, and even more specifically one man's foreign policy intentions? It's a much bigger world out there and while America is part of it, it's only a part, not the be and end all.
        We won't know everything until its all over, but Israels enemies would certainly take notice and be more aggressive if the US gives a green light. And prophecy is all about Israel. Some would say the present turmoil over there is a direct result of Obamas policies. Obama may very well let it be known the US will stand down and not interfere if Israel is in a fight for its life. Whether the US stands up or stands down, it has a big impact. The US is not the only country in the world, but it is a big factor when it comes to war at this point in history.
        Don't panic! Just be Rapture Ready.

        Joel 3:2

        I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

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        • #19
          Different take on this

          It has been my belief for several years that Israel will never have to attack Iran. They will have to fight those surrounding them (Isaiah 17) and they will win. I do think that it will take everything that Israel can come up to win, but win they will. They will be left in a desperate condition if the US or someone else will not resupply them with the equipment that they need. They may have used atomic weapons on Damascus, and maybe even other nations around them. I believe that this will be the excuse and hook for Russia to invade with the Idea of destroying Israel and taking over their land. They will use the same reasons that the US did to attack Irack and remove Sadam from power. No one will stand against Russia and Israel will be left with no way out. It will look like Israel is done for, and nothing anyone can do will be able to save them. (Ezekiel 38). Only problem no one gave any thought about Israel's GOD comming to their aid and destroying the armys that have came against them. When it is done, we will have been long gone in the Rapture sometime aroung Ezekiel 38/

          One thing that could keep Israel from having to attack Iran's nukes is GOD could send a earthquake to just the place need to wreck the plants and spread the enriched uranum all over the plants insides, with no way to go in and clean up the mess. They could go, but most or all would die.

          ISRAEL IS GOING TO WIN IN THE END. I HAVE READ THE BOOK, AND SKIPED TO THE END TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING PLAYS OUT.
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          • #20
            I think it is referred to as birth pangs. To me that means as we get closer the pangs will get more intense and closer together.

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            • #21
              [QUOTE=ronbo477;2297271]I think it is referred to as birth pangs. To me that means as we get closer the pangs will get more intense and closer together.[/QUOTE]

              I think that is the pattern we are told to watch and expect , ... as the end draws near , the contractions are stronger and closer together .

              BTW , aren't we out of here 'before' the 'birth' ?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by steinhatchee View Post
                BTW , aren't we out of here 'before' the 'birth' ?
                Yep, wayyyy before the birth. The birth is after the Trib at Jesus' Second Coming.
                "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                Jesus + something = nothing

                Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                • #23
                  I doubt that things are going to change. one key reason for this is the alarming number of scoffers in the world today especially in the church. they say these things have happened time and time again which is true. but there are two major reasons why it is completeky different today. One is that ALL of the signs are happening at the SAME TIME. That hasnt happened before in our history until now and they are sure picking up with frequency and intensity. The 2nd reason and most important reason is that Israel is alive and well as a nation again today. it has nearly been 70 years since israel came back onto the scene. Either the generation that saw them return as a nation, or tge generation that saw them take back control of Jerusalem or the generation that saw all the signs Jesus warned us about would be the generation that WOULD SEE HIM RETURN! And guess what? All 3 has happened or is happening now.
                  "For the wages of sin is DEATH but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD" Romans 6:23

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
                    It is possible for Iran to back down, for Israel not to move forward with plans to strike. If there is anything I've learned over the last few decades, things can back down from going over the cliff.

                    I do however think Iran is mostly bluff, but Israel is certainly serious. Even if Israel does strike, it doesn't necessarily mean it will all boil over. I think Irans boisterous claims are the norm, if anything over there can be considered normal. We'll just have to watch and wait for the Lord.
                    I agree with your assessment.

                    I have seen so much ebb and flow over the years. There have many many volatile situations in Israel from the 6 day war, the intifadas, bus explosions, olympic athletes murdered, dome of the rock issues, rockets launched, threats, threats, and more threats. The U.S. has been involved in two gulf wars. We had hostages taken by Iran that sent us to the brink. We trained and helped Osama bin laden and then we felt his wrath before ultimately killing a muslim leader (thought we might have some retribution). We experienced 911 and all that that entailed, including the uncertainty of the future and the creation of Homeland Security. We have more government interference in our lives than ever before and I doubt that we will ever go back to the good ole days.

                    There really have been many times in our recent past that people have felt that things could not possibly get any worse. People are rather resilient. I know we are marching towards the end, but only the Lord knows when. Until that time, we have to watch, wait, and above all .................. spread the Message of the Gospel!!

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                    • #25
                      It seems Iran is a key part of this. Should they back down from their nuclear stance, the world could gain some time. The thing is, Amadmannutjob wants to bring 'mahdi' out of hiding. The only way to do that is to throw the world into chaos and eliminate all Israeli's, according the the nutjobs way of thinking. Being totally insane, he has no reason to listen to reason. In fact, I believe he may have said something to the effect of "it doesn't matter how many muslims die as long as madhi returns". It may have been someone else who said that, but it shows the mindset of some muslims.

                      From stories I've seen on the internet, stories with headlines such as "Muslim Brotherhood Declares War on America" from 2010 and "Muslims: 'Wipe Christianity from Face of Earth'" earlier this year, I don't think there will be any more lulls in the birth pangs. Unless islam quiets down, evil will grow larger and stronger.

                      If things are going to change, it appears that they are going to change for the worst. The worst that is for the world, we who believe have a marriage supper in the Fathers Kingdom to look forward to. I'm waiting for that great change that clothes us in immortality that we can forever dwell with our Lord!




                      My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
                      For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.


                      Baruch haba b'Shem Yahweh!!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
                        It is possible for Iran to back down, for Israel not to move forward with plans to strike. If there is anything I've learned over the last few decades, things can back down from going over the cliff.

                        I do however think Iran is mostly bluff, but Israel is certainly serious. Even if Israel does strike, it doesn't necessarily mean it will all boil over. I think Irans boisterous claims are the norm, if anything over there can be considered normal. We'll just have to watch and wait for the Lord.
                        I agree with this, but I think what is different now is as Jamar points out, in particular the part in emphasis...



                        Originally posted by Jamar643 View Post
                        I doubt that things are going to change. one key reason for this is the alarming number of scoffers in the world today especially in the church. they say these things have happened time and time again which is true. but there are two major reasons why it is completeky different today. One is that ALL of the signs are happening at the SAME TIME. That hasnt happened before in our history until now and they are sure picking up with frequency and intensity. The 2nd reason and most important reason is that Israel is alive and well as a nation again today. it has nearly been 70 years since israel came back onto the scene. Either the generation that saw them return as a nation, or tge generation that saw them take back control of Jerusalem or the generation that saw all the signs Jesus warned us about would be the generation that WOULD SEE HIM RETURN! And guess what? All 3 has happened or is happening now.

                        My thinking now is that things will not ever return to relative normal (when has there ever been a time in history where the world has been in complete peace and disaster free anyway?). There should be little doubt however that the world is going through sweeping and rapid change like we haven't seen before - at least since immediately prior to WWII from a political and social perspective. I'm just scanning headlines this morning and there is so much going on it is quite mind boggling.

                        I think my only change of thinking since last year is that while things will never return from hereon into whatever future remains before the rapture, they could just pan out a little longer than I had anticipated. But boy that is not a solid steadfast position because there really is so much happening, it could escalate rapidly or otherwise the world suddenly turns a chapter with the rapture and the beginnings of the trib.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by $teve View Post
                          I agree with this, but I think what is different now is as Jamar points out, in particular the part in emphasis...
                          Oh I don't disagree at all, its just an admittance that it is possible for things to calm back down from its current height. I wouldn't say at all things will change from where they are, its just possible for events to just simmer down a little bit. It will take a peace plan of some sort to make a significant change from its current state. That will be a change for sure...
                          Don't panic! Just be Rapture Ready.

                          Joel 3:2

                          I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
                            Oh I don't disagree at all, its just an admittance that it is possible for things to calm back down from its current height. I wouldn't say at all things will change from where they are, its just possible for events to just simmer down a little bit. It will take a peace plan of some sort to make a significant change from its current state. That will be a change for sure...
                            Yes I'm not holding to any sure and steadfast forward view myself. The way things were going last year I thought we would be lucky to see half way through this year. Yet here we are now almost three quarters the way through 2012 and the world continues on. I have since revised my outlook accordingly.

                            Having said that though, there is a lot of volatility around and alarm bells are going off left and right, from various end time teachers to unbelievers abroad to speakers at the UN Summit. So it's not like a few fringe conspiracy theorists or whacky end-of-the-world alarmists are the only groups signalling some serious world change and transformation currently. A quick outline of current events supports such views:
                            • Of course, the ongoing tensions between Israel and Iran as per the OP over Iran's nuclear developments
                            • Continuing brutal civil war in Syria and bombings in Damascus
                            • Rising bitter tensions between China, Japan and Taiwan over the disputed islands in the South East China Sea
                            • Conflicts in places like Afghanistan, the Congo, Somalia, Libya, Sudan and South Sudan
                            • Advancing Islamic violence and deadly protests around the world
                            • Ongoing Eurozone debt crisis with massive protests in Spain, Greece and Portugal - the entire country of Greece is expected to shut down
                            • Synchronized slowing of major world economies amid countries falling into recession despite massive open-ended globally coordinated central bank stimulus with increasingly diminishing results
                            • Continued severe weather events around the world with Britain just reporting its worse September storm in over 30 years
                            • Calls for a new world order and a new global governance structure to deal with all these rising "global" problems


                            Not an exhaustive list but one that shows convincingly that things are not looking too peachy for the state of the world going forward.
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                            "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near"

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                            • #29
                              In ezk, it says Gog will be the coalitions armorer. Which might mean an attack on Irans military infrastucture so she will be dependent on Gog to resupply?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sonyab1974 View Post
                                I don't think things will settle back down like they have in the past. Things have been escalating. The end is very soon, so yeah everything is going to get worse.
                                The contractions are stronger than ever.

                                On the one hand, we eagerly, joyfully await the Rapture.

                                On the other, our hearts are heavy with the murders in Syria, all the unrest in the ME and so forth.

                                Don't see how they'll ease up anytime soon.

                                "All this is but the beginning the early pains of the birth pangs of the intolerable anguish."

                                http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1884.cfm


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