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  • #16
    If even one jot or tittle fails,

    God is proven untrue.


    satan failed with Job.
    he failed with Daniel.

    he failed with Peter.

    he failed at the Cross.

    he will get a 7 year trial, then a final EPIC FAIL.



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    It's ALL about Jesus. The Son of God - Emanuel - The Mighty God - Our Salvation.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Florian9 View Post
      He will gain EVERYTHING if he destroys Israel!
      If he ever succeeds in doing this, then it will mean that he has proven God to be a liar since God promised Israel many things (including their inheritence of the world) & if he proves God a liar, this means that God will have to revoke Satan's (and the other fallen angels) eternal condemnation to the lake of fire.

      This is his goal--make God come up short on his promises (Genesis 12:1-3), (Genesis 13:14-15), (Genesis 15:18-21), (Galatians 3:16).

      Why else do you think the Israeli's have suffered persecution after persecution after persecution? There is a reason. It's Satanically driven....
      Correct. Satan is interfering with God's contract/covenant with Israel. If one party to the contract, that is Israel, ceases to exist, then the contract is null and void because it can no longer be performed. Thus, Satan seeks to make God out to be a liar who cannot make good on his promises.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by OnlyHIM! View Post
        I was just thinking about this last night. Sometimes I just want to blow a whistle and yell time out for a second. Satan already knows how this is going to end. But his pride will not allow him to alter that course. I compare Satan's action to a child throwing a fit. As crafty and smart and powerful as he is, it boils down to a child throwing a temper tantrum. He knows he is not going to get his way so as "Dad" is pulling him from the store Satan is knocking the candy off the counter on the floor in defiance. Satan hates humans and the rest of God's creation...His handy-work. But really his beef is with The Great I Am....not us. Knowing that by corrupting God's creation or driving a division between us and God in our relationships, hurts God and grieves the Spirit. It really is the only thing he can do to still get a jab in. However, like most defeated bully's, Satan will soon become a distant memory as he will be no more. Sure Satan may have gotten in a few blows, but really in the end it just had little lasting effect.

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        • #19
          Good thread!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by m281920 View Post
            I know that the Antichirst will call himself God when he sits in the temple, but why would Satan want to destroy Israel? Jesus has already been born and will come again. I just don't see what Satan thinks he gains from destroying Israel.

            THanks
            Originally posted by Florian9 View Post
            He will gain EVERYTHING if he destroys Israel!
            If he ever succeeds in doing this, then it will mean that he has proven God to be a liar since God promised Israel many things (including their inheritence of the world) & if he proves God a liar, this means that God will have to revoke Satan's (and the other fallen angels) eternal condemnation to the lake of fire.

            This is his goal--make God come up short on his promises (Genesis 12:1-3), (Genesis 13:14-15), (Genesis 15:18-21), (Galatians 3:16).

            Why else do you think the Israeli's have suffered persecution after persecution after persecution? There is a reason. It's Satanically driven....
            Originally posted by Rei View Post
            ...So it's a good question, what is his agenda now that Christ is resurrected and the gates of heaven are open to ANYONE who wishes to enter? Satan is the same old bag of tricks. If his first motive was to stop the Son, his second motive will be to stop the Son. Notice all the anti-Semitism and hatred of the Jews. Hiter's (Satan's) personal mission being to wipe out the Jews and stop Israel from being reborn. The Jews are REQUIRED to be here in order for the Second Coming to happen, so the Jews will become the primary target....
            Originally posted by RandallB View Post
            He needs to destroy Israel because the Lord will only return when Israel calls out to Him.


            Hosea 5:15 I will return again to my place,
            until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face,
            and in their distress earnestly seek me.
            Originally posted by Mr. Duffee View Post
            Correct. Satan is interfering with God's contract/covenant with Israel. If one party to the contract, that is Israel, ceases to exist, then the contract is null and void because it can no longer be performed. Thus, Satan seeks to make God out to be a liar who cannot make good on his promises.
            Good question, m281920. You've already correctly implied that satan wanted to thwart Jesus's first coming. Remember how he also tried to have all the baby boys born at the same time as Jesus be killed. He tried to tempt Jesus to leave His path as crucified Savior for the world. But Jesus is Victor, as always.

            So what does satan think he gains if he can succeed in his attempts to destroy Israel now? I think RandallB hit it on the head - Jesus left Israel because they, as a nation, did not accept Him. He said He would not return to them until they call out to Him. Matthew 23:37-39, Leviticus 26:40-42, Jeremiah 3:11-18, Hosea 5:15, Zechariah 12:10, Acts 3:19-21

            One of the main purposes of God for the Tribulation is to bring Israel to national repentance. When they call for Him and He returns to them at the Second Coming, He can fulfill all His promises for and prophecies about them. At the end of the Trib, Israel's leaders will finally realize why they're in such trouble and near annihilation - they will finally realize they missed the first time of Messiah's coming. They will grieve and mourn as those who have lost their only Son, the Bible says. They will cry out to God for Him for two days.

            Then on the third day Jesus will return, just as He promised. He will rule in Jerusalem throughout the Millennium. Israel will be the first of the nations of the world, she will be blessed. She will have peace. The hope of the world for peace will be accomplished by Israel's call for Jesus. As Paul said, if through Israel's falling the Gentiles have salvation open to them, how much more will the world be blessed when Israel is the priest of the nations as God has always called her to be.

            satan does not want any of this. He also does not want the other purpose of the Trib - world evangelization through the ministries of the 144,000 Jewish men.

            At the end of the Millennium will be satan's and his followers' final judgment and they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire for all eternity, never to be able to hurt God or His own again.

            So satan apparently thinks if he can obliterate Israel, he can circumvent all of God's plans, stop their repentance, stop them from calling Jesus to return to earth, stop world evangelization, stop countless Gentiles from being saved through their delivering them the Gospel.

            he has already lost.
            "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


            Jesus + something = nothing

            Jesus + nothing = Everything

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            • #21
              I've been in and out of this thread today, getting blown away by the insight backed up by Scripture.

              Randall, your post is a home run. Mr. Duffee and Florian, right there, too.



              BTW, I thought this even before I read iSong's assessment.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by EarsToHear View Post
                I've been in and out of this thread today, getting blown away by the insight backed up by Scripture.

                Randall, your post is a home run. Mr. Duffee and Florian, right there, too.



                BTW, I thought this even before I read iSong's assessment.


                I agree. This is a fascinating thread. I especially liked Florian's response. Thanks for all the great insights.

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                • #23
                  I agree with iSong's answer for the same reasons..

                  The remnant of Israel have to repent of one specific iniquity, the rejection and killing of their messiah. God has told us in scripture that until their voices all cry out to Him so completely He will not return..

                  So no jews left to repent and call out to Him.. no second coming.

                  Atleast that has been my understanding.

                  Michael

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by XMichaelX View Post
                    I agree with iSong's answer for the same reasons..

                    The remnant of Israel have to repent of one specific iniquity, the rejection and killing of their messiah. God has told us in scripture that until their voices all cry out to Him so completely He will not return..

                    So no jews left to repent and call out to Him.. no second coming.

                    Atleast that has been my understanding.

                    Michael
                    Good to see you here, Michael - especially when we agree! (Half kidding, it's always good. )
                    "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                    Jesus + something = nothing

                    Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                    • #25
                      Ultimately, he's after the total destruction of the human race. It was our creation, when God got off his seat and moulded man in the sand/earth and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, a life force that no other creature in all of creation has, that blew Lucifer's mind.

                      We were made in God's image and to be in personal fellowship with him for eternity.

                      Lucifer thought he was always to be, and indeed for a while he was the pinacle of God's creation and occupied the 2nd in command post as it were. When he realised that everything God had created before man [including him] was for the benefit of man and that he [Lucifer at the time] would be under them and judged by them, it sent him into his rage against God and mankind.

                      His first attempt to break the relationship was in Eden, but God knew of this before even a bit of dust existed and would later redeem man by Jesus, who was slain from the foundation of the world. The fact that God didn't destroy Adam & Eve was a real spanner in the devil's works and plans, but he did succeed in removing man from the presence of God.

                      Post the death & resurrection of Jesus, he knows [or does he really] he's been defeated, but has 1 option left now, and that is to kill as many of us before we recognise and accept the cross and Jesus' death and resurrection, as once we die lost, we are lost forever.

                      He's well defeated as just one saved person blows his plan away as that man or woman cannot and will not be taken from God nor destroyed. Probably he doesn't know he's defeated, after all he was incarnate and shouting for the death of Jesus along with the others at his trial, had he known what God's plan was, he would have tried to prevent his death.

                      Satan would like to be back in the position he was in at Eden when he can stand before God and say, see not a single one of them left, you've lost them all and I am better than you, and therefore I am God not you.

                      Clearly he either doesn't know the full plan or is a LIAR, but he did say in the temptation of Christ that he had seen it and it doesn't work, so don't obey your father, bow down to me and you can have everything!

                      An entity as evil and anti God as Satan is and who doesn't realise he's beaten, is a very dangerous adversary especially when he can masquerade as a being of 'light' and hoodwink the whole of mankind to its total destruction.

                      His ultimate agenda IMHO.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by m281920 View Post
                        I know that the Antichirst will call himself God when he sits in the temple, but why would Satan want to destroy Israel? Jesus has already been born and will come again. I just don't see what Satan thinks he gains from destroying Israel.

                        THanks
                        His defeat came via God's chosen people through Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah. Nothing short of erasing the Jews will satisfy such a warped and demented mind. "Bitter grapes" doesn't begin to cover it. The thing is, Satan's pride is so extreme, he actually believes he can accomplish something. He is too deluded to realize God is systematically using his own zeal to accomplish His divine will. He causes plotters and schemers to fall into their own traps they set for others. Satan knows that he is going to hell at some point, but he is pushing as hard as he can to take as many as possible with him, not simply so that they'll be in Hell. That's simply a byproduct. The ultimate purpose is to spite God and for people to give glory to anything but God. His insane pride is his driving force.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by TheRedeemed View Post
                          Lucifer thought he was always to be, and indeed for a while he was the pinacle of God's creation and occupied the 2nd in command post as it were. When he realised that everything God had created before man [including him] was for the benefit of man and that he [Lucifer at the time] would be under them and judged by them, it sent him into his rage against God and mankind.
                          Just to be clear, we're not told this is why satan fell (anger about man judging him) in Scripture, but it is interesting to speculate.

                          Some say that the reason God created man may be that when lucifer fell and was kicked out of Heaven, he charged God "You are not just and You are not loving!"

                          So it was then God created man, to show, even when *pieces of dirt* rebelled, the unimagineable lengths He would go - for God Himself the Son to become a man like us and die in our place to purchase our salvation. He has our testimony of how He is not only just and loving but in His awe-striking love for us He found a way to satisfy His justice. \ 0 /
                          "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                          Jesus + something = nothing

                          Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by iSong6:3 View Post
                            Just to be clear, we're not told this is why satan fell (anger about man judging him) in Scripture, but it is interesting to speculate.

                            Some say that the reason God created man may be that when lucifer fell and was kicked out of Heaven, he charged God "You are not just and You are not loving!"

                            So it was then God created man, to show, even when *pieces of dirt* rebelled, the unimagineable lengths He would go - for God Himself the Son to become a man like us and die in our place to purchase our salvation. He has our testimony of how He is not only just and loving but in His awe-striking love for us He found a way to satisfy His justice. \ 0 /
                            Of course we're not told why Satan fell exactly, just that iniquity was found in him, so you're quite right. It is stated in 1 Corinthians 6:1 3 however, that we will judge the angels and Satan was/is an angel and God states he knows the end from the beginning, is it possible that he [Satan] knew this was coming and so he felt rebellion and the destruction of mankind was the best way to prevent it?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TheRedeemed View Post
                              Of course we're not told why Satan fell exactly, just that iniquity was found in him, so you're quite right. It is stated in 1 Corinthians 6:1 3 however, that we will judge the angels and Satan was/is an angel and God states he knows the end from the beginning, is it possible that he [Satan] knew this was coming and so he felt rebellion and the destruction of mankind was the best way to prevent it?
                              It's one of the first things I want to find out about when we get Home, about lucifer falling.
                              Last edited by iSong6:3; October 28th, 2011, 12:13 AM.
                              "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                              Jesus + something = nothing

                              Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by TheRedeemed View Post
                                Of course we're not told why Satan fell exactly, just that iniquity was found in him, so you're quite right. It is stated in 1 Corinthians 6:1 3 however, that we will judge the angels and Satan was/is an angel and God states he knows the end from the beginning, is it possible that he [Satan] knew this was coming and so he felt rebellion and the destruction of mankind was the best way to prevent it?
                                Yep. He tried to use King Herod to kill baby Jesus. He knew the Jews were promised a Messiah, and not only them, but non-Jews (Gentiles) as well. While Satan is not omniscient like God, Satan does know the bible and has access to God's throne to this day where he accuses people and tries to condemn them before God. On top of that, he is roughly 6,000 years old and is extremely crafty and uses his once good wisdom to plot on us. That means he can cross reference events on Heaven with events on Earth, let alone the reports he probably gets on a constant basis from his demonic allegiances. Satan watches prophecy at the same level of the most seasoned and wise pastors. He knows painfully well how short his time is. When we are Raptured, he is cast to the Earth, and that basically confirms his "short time" in his own mind. He is going to be absolutely furious, the Rapture being a gigantic smack in his prideful face.

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