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    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Thank you all so much!
    Praying to go home soon!

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    Originally posted by Praying View Post
    My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Thank you all so much!
    Praying to go home soon!
    People who believe this (if, by that, they mean "the rapture") usually base this belief on Matthew 24:14 -

    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming (when the Millennial Kingdom comes), i.e. "the end of the age," (not our rapture) per context.

    So the rapture can (and IMO, will) occur before this.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by acceptedinthebeloved View Post
      People who believe this (if, by that, they mean "the rapture") usually base this belief on Matthew 24:14 -



      It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming (when the Millennial Kingdom comes), i.e. "the end of the age," (not our rapture) per context.

      So the rapture can (and IMO, will) occur before this.
      Thank you so very much for the clarification. I appreciate this more than you could possibly know.


      Ready to go home soon!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Praying View Post
        My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

        Thank you all so much!
        Praying to go home soon!
        Matthew 24:14

        We will know when the end comes.
        Last edited by Bohdan; March 26th, 2011, 10:59 PM. Reason: correction

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        • #5
          Originally posted by acceptedinthebeloved View Post
          It is my understanding that this will be accomplished during the tribulation period, leading up to His Second Coming when the Millennial Kingdom comes (not our rapture), per context. So the rapture can occur before this.
          This is my understanding as well.

          I also wanted to add that Wycliffe has announced they are within 15 years (14 now, I think . . . by 2025) of translating the Bible into every language in existence. While they are translating, we know they have people in there working side-by-side with the people who speak those languages so that they can learn those languages well enough to formulate a written language (if needed), teach them how to read it (if needed), and translate Scripture into that language. Here's a link to Wycliffe's web page regarding this project: http://www.lastlanguagescampaign.org/LLC.aspx.

          And, I have personally heard from the Gideons (DH is a military chaplain, and we attend a "Pastor's Appreciation Dinner" given by the Gideons each year . . . this year's just took place last month) that God is moving in amazing ways right now to reach people who have not even been "evangelized" or reached by missionaries. One story the key note speaker told that night was about an island in the Philippines. A Gideon couple decided they wanted to be missionaries to that island, since no one had gone to it before. But when they got there, they discovered that everyone on the island (comprised of one tiny village) was saved. Apparently, during WWII, a Gideon New Testament originally issued to a US military service member had washed up on shore along with some other things in an abandoned lifeboat. One person on the whole island spoke English, and translated it for his fellow villagers. Through that one New Testament, the entire village was saved. God does not need us to ensure that everyone hears about Christ. He prefers to work through us, but he isn't going to let our unwillingness, limitations, or shortcomings stop him. If we are unable to reach a certain isolated people group, or don't know someone hasn't heard, God will make a way to get the good news of Christ to them with or without our help. God will ensure that everyone on earth has had the opportunity to reject or accept Christ before he must judge the earth's inhabitants. He knows better than we do who has heard and who hasn't, who has accepted and who has rejected. It is not up to us to make those decisions. Our responsibility is to make sure that those God puts us in contact with have heard about Christ. God will worry about the rest.

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          • #6
            Isn't that a fascinating story? God sent them His word and they believed. I believe anyone who is truly seeking God will find Him, no matter where they are.

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            • #7
              Jack Kelley agrees this also:

              http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bibl...o-all-nations/
              Although this must happen before the 2nd Coming, it won’t happen before the Rapture of the Church,
              more at link..........
              Psalm 30:11-12 (New King James Version)

              11 You have turned for me my mourning into dancing;
              You have put off my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
              12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to You and not be silent.
              O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever.



              Pre-Flood!
              Thanks for the citizen title Hoot!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MelAnne View Post
                This is my understanding as well.

                I also wanted to add that Wycliffe has announced they are within 15 years (14 now, I think . . . by 2025) of translating the Bible into every language in existence. While they are translating, we know they have people in there working side-by-side with the people who speak those languages so that they can learn those languages well enough to formulate a written language (if needed), teach them how to read it (if needed), and translate Scripture into that language. Here's a link to Wycliffe's web page regarding this project: http://www.lastlanguagescampaign.org/LLC.aspx.

                And, I have personally heard from the Gideons (DH is a military chaplain, and we attend a "Pastor's Appreciation Dinner" given by the Gideons each year . . . this year's just took place last month) that God is moving in amazing ways right now to reach people who have not even been "evangelized" or reached by missionaries. One story the key note speaker told that night was about an island in the Philippines. A Gideon couple decided they wanted to be missionaries to that island, since no one had gone to it before. But when they got there, they discovered that everyone on the island (comprised of one tiny village) was saved. Apparently, during WWII, a Gideon New Testament originally issued to a US military service member had washed up on shore along with some other things in an abandoned lifeboat. One person on the whole island spoke English, and translated it for his fellow villagers. Through that one New Testament, the entire village was saved. God does not need us to ensure that everyone hears about Christ. He prefers to work through us, but he isn't going to let our unwillingness, limitations, or shortcomings stop him. If we are unable to reach a certain isolated people group, or don't know someone hasn't heard, God will make a way to get the good news of Christ to them with or without our help. God will ensure that everyone on earth has had the opportunity to reject or accept Christ before he must judge the earth's inhabitants. He knows better than we do who has heard and who hasn't, who has accepted and who has rejected. It is not up to us to make those decisions. Our responsibility is to make sure that those God puts us in contact with have heard about Christ. God will worry about the rest.
                What an Awesome story!

                The Gospel's to be spread throughout the entire earth.

                All those who seek will find, all those who knock the door will be opened, ...

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                • #9
                  G-d is so awesome. Joel Rosenberg incorporated a true story about a man in Turkey waiting alongside the road for a delivery of Bibles in one of his fictional stories. I think it was the Ezekiel Option, clearly, our Lord works in miraculous wondrous ways. I personally think that once the sealed 144,000 Rev 7:1 begin their ministry their lives will be even stranger than fiction. And I can't even imagine how bizarre and amazing it will be to see an angel deliver the gospel Rev 14:6. OP your mother need not fear, G-d will give everyone the chance. The sad thing is notwithstanding who will deliver the message some will still reject it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by saintlunatic
                    this is a tribulation verse it has nothing to do with the rapture...
                    Which verse?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Praying View Post
                      My mother was saying today that Jesus will not come until everyone has heard the gospel. I can understand this, but I was wondering if someone could tell me where it was in the scriptures. Also, how will we know, or can we, if everyone has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?

                      Thank you all so much!
                      Praying to go home soon!
                      This is something that televangelists say to get more money for missions ministries... Yes, it says something like this in Matthew 24 and also in Matthew 28 but its not the job of the church to tell it to everyone so that the 2nd coming or rapture could occur. The rapture could happen at ANYTIME, there is nothing in prophecy that needs to occur for the rapture to happen.

                      What the actual truth is about this subject is that it is ultimately the job of the ANGELS to tell everyone about the everlasting Gospel.

                      Read in Revelation 14 -
                      Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” - Revelation 14:6-7

                      So, that is the concise and final answer, everyone at ONE TIME WILL HEAR the everlasting Gospel.

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                      • #12
                        I recently was in Brazil, and I spoke with a pastor there. He had just returned from southeast Asia, and he told me that in places that have no contact with missionaries, people are having dreams of Jesus. They in turn leave Islam, and are heavily persecuted for evangelizing their village. So God is moving even in places where no one has brought the Gospel.

                        "I looked, but there was no one to help, and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me; And My own fury, it sustained Me." Isaiah 63:5

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by As_Caleb_Says! View Post
                          I recently was in Brazil, and I spoke with a pastor there. He had just returned from southeast Asia, and he told me that in places that have no contact with missionaries, people are having dreams of Jesus. They in turn leave Islam, and are heavily persecuted for evangelizing their village. So God is moving even in places where no one has brought the Gospel.

                          "I looked, but there was no one to help, and I wondered that there was no one to uphold; Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me; And My own fury, it sustained Me." Isaiah 63:5
                          Caleb,

                          That is So Cool!!

                          Not the persecution... but their Salvation... WOW!!!

                          Thank You Lord Jesus

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                          • #14
                            This thread is so inspiring. Melissa and Caleb, I loved reading the stories you shared with us. I appreciate that this was explained in more detail that all will hear the gospel not necessarily before the Rapture, but during the Tribulation. I also always felt this but wasn't sure and the scripture here clears that up well. Thank you as always.

                            I was wondering though as I am pondering over this and I have a question:

                            God knows who WILL come to Him and who WILL NOT come to Him after hearing the gospel during the Tribulation. My theory has always been that I thought maybe that if the Rapture happened before many didn't hear the message, that they possibly would be raptured along with the mentally challenged or the children under the age of the accountability. I thought that maybe the "all nations shall hear" might refer to in this day and age in general because it is NOW POSSIBLE to happen due to the internet, satellite, missionaries going to far off lands and even the fact that they can get there because air travel is now possible.

                            But, my question is: Do you think that God will spare the lives of His own during the Tribulation, those that He knows will choose Him when they DO hear the message, since He already knows who will reject and accept Him? Will God let them die (or be killed during the Trib) without ever hearing the gospel? What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

                            Does anyone know any scripture that answers this question or opinions?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HugsFromJesus View Post
                              This thread is so inspiring. Melissa and Caleb, I loved reading the stories you shared with us. I appreciate that this was explained in more detail that all will hear the gospel not necessarily before the Rapture, but during the Tribulation. I also always felt this but wasn't sure and the scripture here clears that up well. Thank you as always.

                              I was wondering though as I am pondering over this and I have a question:

                              God knows who WILL come to Him and who WILL NOT come to Him after hearing the gospel during the Tribulation. My theory has always been that I thought maybe that if the Rapture happened before many didn't hear the message, that they possibly would be raptured along with the mentally challenged or the children under the age of the accountability. I thought that maybe the "all nations shall hear" might refer to in this day and age in general because it is NOW POSSIBLE to happen due to the internet, satellite, missionaries going to far off lands and even the fact that they can get there because air travel is now possible.

                              But, my question is: Do you think that God will spare the lives of His own during the Tribulation, those that He knows will choose Him when they DO hear the message, since He already knows who will reject and accept Him? Will God let them die (or be killed during the Trib) without ever hearing the gospel? What about all the people that have died that have never heard of Jesus, example being far off tribes, etc.?

                              Does anyone know any scripture that answers this question or opinions?
                              HugsfromJesus I understand your concern and I share your heavy heart knowing many will die during the trib. Those who die having chosen Christ as their Saviour are known as the Trib saints, they will not all be protected through this horrific time, you can read about them in Rev 6:9 Also remember this, not a single death ever surprises G-d. No one that dies without Jesus in their heart would have ever chosen Him. The scripture is very clear. There are several passages indicating this ie, Jhn 6:64 I posted many here once before I'll try to find the original post.

                              Found it here are some additional quotes from scriptures
                              Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

                              Therefore, none who are called can ever be lost, no one can die before they accept Christ and each will come at the appointed time. There can and never will be one more or one less person than the number ordained by G-d notwithstanding how long we are here. See

                              Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

                              Also confirmed in

                              Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

                              Jhn 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
                              Last edited by eclipse; March 28th, 2011, 07:47 AM. Reason: found some other quotes about eternal salvation

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