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  • #61
    An alternate explanation can be made for this - that the speed of light may not in fact, be a "constant". I recall listening to one of Chuck Missler's podcasts last year. Chuck cited an article from a leading science journal, which stated that the physical constants that form the basis for modern physical theories, are not really constant. They speculated that the speed of light may have been much faster in the past...and it might be be slowing down, almost imperceptibly, perhaps.

    I've also read an article at the Science.com website, where some researchers found that the rates of radioactive decay for uranium and other radioactive isotopes in the earth's crust, had slight variations...with a 33 day periodicity...which corresponds to the rotational period of the sun's core! They speculated that streams of neutrinos from the solar core could be interacting with the radioactive nuclei in the earth 150 million kilometers away, and affecting their decay rates. Amazing.

    Consider that much of modern cosmology - the Big Bang theory, the age of the earth and the age of the universe...all of these depend on certain assumptions...that the speed of light in a vacuum is an unchangeable constant, and that radioactive decay rates are similarly constant.

    It now appears some of these assumptions are on shaky ground.

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    • #62
      Even Einstein, with the theory of relativity, somewhat proved this. with time dependent on mass, acceleration and gravity, if there is more mass, then time moves slower (speed of light would actually decrease). There was just a program on the science channel on this.

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      • #63
        Considering the higher velocity and smaller particle size, are there potential military applications for this to one day split atoms?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by jeffsd View Post
          Even Einstein, with the theory of relativity, somewhat proved this. with time dependent on mass, acceleration and gravity, if there is more mass, then time moves slower (speed of light would actually decrease). There was just a program on the science channel on this.
          The theory of relativity assumes that the speed of light is constant, which we've proven to be true (for now). The speed of light is the proportionality constant: as time dilates, length contracts; as length contracts, time dilates. The speed of light, however, stays constant in all frames of reference.

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          • #65
            Yes, it remains constant in all frames of reference in our universe. The reason the "outer edge of the expanding universe" can (theoretically) move faster is because it's not in our (expanding) universe - or, stated another way, it's not within the space-time fabric.

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            • #66
              Higgs-Boson (god-particle) discovered

              I cant see a thread about this anywhere so I thought I would start one.
              Physicists at CERN have today given a news conference announcing the discovery of the Higgs Boson or anyway a Higgs-Boson like particle. A breakthrough day for science.

              As a christian I am totally relaxed about this. I dont have any problem with other sub atomic particles such as the proton, electron or quarks. Christians have nothing to fear from science. True science will not contradict the Bible although many scientists simply dismiss findings that they dont like.

              I believe God wants us to make scientific discoveries and to see the beauty of the universe he has created. He has given us an enquiring mind

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              • #67
                The better understanding of the universe provides a way to better understand the One Who created it all. It's a great discovery if true, but scientists are already using this discovery to further cement the established theories, instead of using it to critique them.
                Ephesians 3:17-18
                That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

                "It is by faith alone we are saved, but not by faith which is alone."

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                • #68
                  The search for the "god particle" has been important because, if ever discovered, it is supposed to be able to account for the beginning of the universe (i.e., matter from non-matter) without outside intervention (i.e., a Creator, or aliens). This is extremely important to humanistic, atheistic evolution--the ability to explain everything without the need for God.

                  I heard this reported twice on FOX news today by two different reporters, and both reported it had been found. This was interesting to me, because I'd already seen articles and headlines saying they had almost discovered it, or were really close to discovering it, or had discovered evidence of it. One said they had discovered the shadow and the footprint of it.

                  This is the way evolutionists have always operated. Claim more than they really have, and only those who listen or read carefully really get what they are saying. Or make a rash claim initially, then later when it is proven to not be what they claimed, make a quiet disclaimer. Meanwhile, the initial claim is the impression that sticks in everybody's head. Many never hear the disclaimer. And many others continue to repeat the initial claim after the disclaimer has come out, not having researched enough to know there even was a disclaimer.

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                  • #69
                    It is an extremely important and very exciting discovery. It won't make much difference in the short term, however - most theoretical physicists for the past few years have been working their equations on the assumption that the Higgs Boson does exist. What it does do (if confirmed) is complete the Standard Model of particle physics, and also provides much needed evidence that the Standard Model is probably correct. Also, it will allow us to pin down a very important attribute of the particle, namely its mass. In the past, we were hampered by the fact that we had no idea how heavy the particle is, although it was already known that it was very heavy. We now know its mass - 125 GeV, or about 180 times the mass of a proton. This makes it the second most massive particle, after the so-called "top quark".

                    I do wish that science journalists would stop referring to it as the "God particle", however. The Higgs Boson is theorized to be the link between mass and energy. It is the particle that imparts mass to all other particles (except the neutrino, for some reason). I really don't see how that connects to "God" in any way.

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                    • #70
                      Science is true knowledge/understanding and exists along with God's creation, as long as scientists are honest in their theories/discoveries and avoid myth their is no contradiction with scripture.

                      Atheists will continue in their search for disapproval of God's existence, or a replacement for God, and will land on many silly conclusions, such as Dawkin's myth concluding man's life began on the backs of crystals http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...xpelled-review.

                      Replacing God with myth silliness will always be around and they will ride their latest fad for few years until another replacement comes along, anything, except the real God, will keep them partially satisfied until Jesus returns to claim his rightful throne.



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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Jan51 View Post
                        The search for the "god particle" has been important because, if ever discovered, it is supposed to be able to account for the beginning of the universe (i.e., matter from non-matter) without outside intervention (i.e., a Creator, or aliens).
                        Where did you hear that?

                        The Higg's Boson is important because it is believed to be what gives other particles their mass.

                        It was predicted to exist by the Standard Model, so not finding it would require that the model be changed or discarded. Finding it would mean that they are on the right track and one step closer to a unified theory of Gravity.
                        The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
                        Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
                        (Psa 19:1b-2)

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by JTaylor View Post
                          I do wish that science journalists would stop referring to it as the "God particle", however. The Higgs Boson is theorized to be the link between mass and energy. It is the particle that imparts mass to all other particles (except the neutrino, for some reason). I really don't see how that connects to "God" in any way.
                          +1
                          The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
                          Day to day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals knowledge.
                          (Psa 19:1b-2)

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                          • #73
                            I do not need any proof at all.I believe on Faith.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by JTaylor View Post
                              I really don't see how that connects to "God" in any way.
                              It's just another one of the world's attempt to disprove that the one and only God--the triune God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit--exists. No matter how nicely this information may fit into how He spoke the universe into being, godless intellectuals and scientists will make this idol a convenient, modern and acceptable belief for the masses who are already rejecting the Lord.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Hootmon View Post
                                Where did you hear that?

                                The Higg's Boson is important because it is believed to be what gives other particles their mass.

                                It was predicted to exist by the Standard Model, so not finding it would require that the model be changed or discarded. Finding it would mean that they are on the right track and one step closer to a unified theory of Gravity.
                                . . . and it's concepts like this that make my brain go 'splodey when it comes to science. I am endlessly fascinated by science, especially astronomy and all that, and I understand simple concepts (chemical change, physical change, Newton's Laws, gravity, etc.), but some sciency stuff just escapes me. How can something give mass to something? Things have mass -- why does there have to be something to give mass to them?? How does this something "give" mass? I do understand the difference between mass and weight: mass is how dense something is, weight is how much it . . . well . . .weighs. Would something with greater mass have more Higgs Boson particles than something with lesser mass? And where exactly would the Higgs Boson particles be -- in the atoms? Atoms on their own?

                                In high school, I had enough problems with electron shells -- things like Higgs Boson, quarks, quantum physics, etc. just makes my mind go .

                                Maybe after we're Raptured, I'll be able to understand it all.
                                "Oir is leatsa an rioghachd, agus an cumhachd, agus a gloir, gu siorraidh, Amen." ("For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever, Amen" -- Scots Gaelic)

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