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  • I don't "know" where/what Mystery Babylon will be, but I'm pretty certain Mystery Babylon does not = Babylon proper.

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    • Originally posted by Traveling Through View Post
      I have doubts about the Mystery Babylon being the original Babylon simply because I see it taking some time for Babylon, Iraq to build up the influence it should have during the Trib.

      Of course, the same thing holds true for Rome.
      Agreed, but what about the U.S with New York and its towers? Like the twin towers. Go take a look at ancient babylon and then look at the twin towers. Also this "new babylon" will be surrounded by walls of water and they will all speak ONE language, possibly English?

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        • Iraq seeks to lure tourists

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          • Scholars to Discuss Modern World’s Links to Babylon
            11-15-09
            http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...on=theuae&col=

            It was called the City of God and the birthplace of civilisation. It is said that a tower to reach Heaven was being built here.

            The first ever written literature was found in this land. Some 4,000 years ago this city’s scholars divided the day into 24 hours, each hour into 60 minutes and each minute into 60 seconds. One of the seven ancient wonders of the world, the Suspended Gardens, existed here.

            Babylon, the city of the Genesis, is historically and culturally one of the richest and most fascinating subjects of any scholar’s thesis and its influence on language, literature, culture, history and even law and politics is up for discussion at a Paris Sorbonne University — Abu Dhabi’s (PSUAD) conference.

            ‘Babel, Babylon: real space and mythical place’ has been put together by Professor Bernard Franco, head of French and Comparative Literature studies at PSUAD, taking place at the Emirates Writers’ Union (EWU), National Theatre in Abu Dhabi, on November 17-19.

            “The starting point is the study of the geographical space of Babylon, in a cultural and historical context, in relation with the myth of Babel. The focus will be on the depth of this relation: Babel - Babylon,” explained Professor Franco.

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            • but it can't be getting rebuilt this fast.......

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              • They're gonna need a lot more than $9 million to transform that little site into the empire described in Revelation 18. Let's see, what do they need to do:

                - They will need to terraform the earth to make it sit on 7 hills (in addition to this being no easy task, it also makes no sense - environmental engineering generally involves removing hills, not adding them)
                - They will need to do some serious irrigation and canal digging to make it sit on 7 waters
                - They will need to figure out how to make it border an ocean so that it can have seaports
                - They'll need to transfer most if not all of the entertainment industry there (sorry Hollywood your days are numbered)
                - They'll need to have most of the "merchants of the earth" (major corporations) move their headquarters there, not to mention probably the WTO and UN too
                - They'll need to totally liberalize the culture so it fits in with the materialistic and hedonistic characteristics told in Revelation 18, which means they'll pretty much need to expel Islam from the region completely for that to realistically happen

                Sounding ridiculous yet? Maybe it's time to consider that Ancient Babylon =/= Mystery Babylon? It's called a "Mystery" for a reason.

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                • Babylon: literal city or metaphor?

                  I have been continuing in my study of end-time events and prophetic scripture and one issue continues to be VERY unclear to me ( not that there aren't many other unclear things)

                  In the book of Revelation, Babylon is referenced in 44 of the 404 total verses in the Revelation. That is 1 out of every nine verses or roughly 11% !!

                  It is a widely held belief that Babylon will be a kind of "world headquarters" or "capital city" of the ac's world government. My question is, will this be the actual historic city of Babylon rebuilt? or is it a metaphor for a sinful city, capital like Babylon was in its days of empirical reign.

                  What makes it hard to decipher is that Revelation tends to make it seem like the rebuilt city of old ( and it makes sense in a financial, locale-near oil, Euphrates reference kind of way)

                  Yet the city, if kicked into high-gear building today, would take 20-30 years to build...yet we know it is there during the tribulation...

                  This would mean that maybe we are either:

                  A) still 20-30 years from the coalescing of these end-time events
                  B) maybe a longer period between rapture and Tribulation than thought?
                  C) maybe Babylon is metaphorical and it could be a city like Babylon in it's sinfullness, false gods, idolatry etc...maybe like a New York, Geneva..etc...

                  I'd really love to hear some thoughts on this topic from others who have given it thought...

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                  • Babylon

                    Anyone think we could still be a ways away because this city is not built up to what it appears scripture says it needs to be? This is one of if not the main reason that would make me think we have a while to go yet.

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                    • Originally posted by Sons of Thunder View Post
                      Anyone think we could still be a ways away because this city is not built up to what it appears scripture says it needs to be? This is one of if not the main reason that would make me think we have a while to go yet.
                      I don't know, but I think it could be built in months, not years, so I still think the Tribulation could start within the next year or couple of years.

                      I'm looking more for the formation of 10 world kingdoms and the revived Roman empire. I think when the AC comes on the scene the system is already in place generally speaking.

                      Once the world system is agreed upon I think the motivation and financial backing will be there immediately to re-build Babylon completely. Look how quickly Dubai and Vegas are transforming...we can build whole cities in no time.

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                      • Why do you say it could take 20-30 years to build? Dubai was built in less time than that...
                        At the same time look how quickly a decade flies by. Twenty years, although long when you are wanting to be Raptured is really not that long.
                        If you look at the situation in the Middle East however, I don't think the Tribulation can wait another 20-30 years??

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                        • Originally posted by Dani D View Post
                          I don't know, but I think it could be built in months, not years, so I still think the Tribulation could start within the next year or couple of years.

                          I'm looking more for the formation of 10 world kingdoms and the revived Roman empire. I think when the AC comes on the scene the system is already in place generally speaking.

                          Once the world system is agreed upon I think the motivation and financial backing will be there immediately to re-build Babylon completely. Look how quickly Dubai and Vegas are transforming...we can build whole cities in no time.
                          Good point. Same goes for the time it would take for building the Temple, which would be another reason I would think we have a ways to go.

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                          • I have read that the temple is partially assembled in parts somehow, and that it could be built in 2 years or less...

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                            • I've thought about this subject and I have always thought that Babylon was a real city. It seems like the Iraq war was largely about laying the groundwork so that Babylon could be built. From what we can see now, it is very easy to imagine a future where the world's power shifts from the US to the Middle East. They just built the tallest building in the world in that area. That is a symbolic gesture to suggest that the worlds power would be centered in that region. I personally believe that Babylon not being built is a valid reason to suggest that it may still be a while for the rapture to happen. We could easily be here and watch it all happen in front of us.

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                              • You may wish to search this topic. We've discussed it many times. I tend to take the Bible literally on this. After all, Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?) were literally destroyed. Israel was literally reborn. I expect Damascus to be literally destroyed in one night.

                                So I do expect Babylon to be literally destroyed in God's time.

                                There is a sticky about the building of Dubai. That happened VERY quickly.
                                Micah 6:8 (NIV)
                                8 He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
                                To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

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