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  • Originally posted by ATYCLB View Post
    UNESCO Report on Babylon:
    US occupation caused “major damage” to historic site in Iraq

    8-11-09
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/au...baby-a11.shtml

    The UNESCO report makes a number of recommendations, including an investigation of the long-term implications of the damage to the site. It also calls for making the archaeological area of Babylon a World Heritage Site, the most prestigious and best-funded status that the organization can grant to a historic site.

    While necessary, these suggestions take no account of the criminal nature of the destruction of the site that took place under the auspices of the American occupation.

    In spite of repeated warnings by archaeologists before and during the war, the American-led occupation forces acted with deliberate disregard for the cultural heritage not only of the Iraq people, but indeed, of the entire planet.

    The Bush administration and the American political establishment, including the Democratic Party, which facilitated the invasion of Iraq, are responsible for the lootings and burnings of libraries, archives and museums all over Iraq after April 2003—and the continued looting of archaeological sites to feed the illegal market in antiquities.

    The UNESCO report, by the very nature of the organization issuing it, cannot draw the logical conclusion that flows from its findings: that the damage to Babylon is part of a larger war crime, for which those responsible should be criminally investigated and tried.

    More . . .
    Where were they when the taliban blew this up on purpose?? Where was the war crimes then.. Where as we went in and got free elections for Iraq?? hmmm something odd there huh

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-dynamite.html

    Just frustrated about that and did nothing... Had 9-11 not happened they still would have done nothing


    non-Islamic statues.

    Kofi Annan, the United Nations Secretary-General, had pleaded with the Taliban's foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, in Islamabad yesterday to save Afghanistan's cultural heritage. He was told that all other "moveable statues" - including more than a dozen smaller Buddha statues in the Kabul Museum - had also been destroyed.

    Mr Annan, who spent half an hour with Mullah Wakil during the first leg of his South Asia tour, showed dismay and frustration while talking to reporters. He said: "They will be doing themselves a great deal of disservice and no religious leaders from the Islamic world have supported the edict. I told them you have to respect what is sacred to others."

    Mr Annan added that it was "not going to be easier now to raise money" from the international community for the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Afghanistan. More than one million people have been displaced by the fighting and drought. But, no government has told me categorically that they would not help the desperate people of Afghanistan."

    Mullah Wakil said the work of destroying the Bamiyan cliff statues had started already, "but they are very tough ones".But his mention of steel rods and cement walls which were erected in the 1930s to bolster the back of the standing Buddhas and which are now exposed made it clear that the frontal part of the statues had been blown up.

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    • UNESCO holds 35th General Conference October 6-23, 2009
      http://www.newsahead.com/preview/200...ence/index.php

      Other business concerns protecting heritage sites and selecting new ones. Babylon in Iraq has been red-flagged after damage from the United States military.

      UNESCO says the US military in Iraq inflicted considerable damage to Babylon. More than 4000 years old and some 60 miles south of Baghdad, it is considered one of the world's most important archaeological sites. A UNESCO report released on Jul 9 said damage to the Mesopotamian city was carried out by "digging, cutting, scraping and levelling", when the US military base was there from Apr 2003 to Dec 2004. The agency vows to make Babylon a World Heritage site in order to prevent similar vandalism in future wars.

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      • No problem, just move out the Iraqis at least 25 miles away from the city to create a buffer zone so when the military comes back in to whack what bad guys need to get whacked the site won't become ruins.

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        • Ahmadinejad: Mideast condition changing in favor of Iran, Syria

          TEHRAN, Nov. 5 (Xinhua) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the Middle East conditions are changing in favor of his country and Syria, the English language satellite Press TV reported on Thursday.

          "Conditions in the region are changing in favor of Iran and Syria," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in a meeting with the visiting Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem on Wednesday.

          "Considering the fact that the world's conditions are changing rapidly and aggressive powers are in the course of decline, Iran and Syria should coordinate for taking big decisions," he said.

          Iran's President added that "if coordination is well, other countries in the region will certainly follow suit and a huge political, economic and cultural power will be formed in the Middle East," according to Press TV.


          Muallem, for his part, said that relations between Iran and Syria are so strong that no country could damage them. He called for further expansion of ties between the two countries.

          In another meeting with Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili, Muallem said "indeed, regional countries are engineers of a new Middle East and do not need instructions of cross-regional powers in this regard," the local ISNA news agency reported.

          Syria is Iran's closest ally in the region and the two countries enjoy common cultural, political and economic interests. Syria and Iran take Israel as their foe and support Lebanese Shiite armed group Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Hamas movement in their struggle against Israel.

          Currently, Iran is carrying out a large number of economic projects in Syria, including car production and housing projects, and Damascus hosts thousands of Iranian tourists and pilgrims every year.

          I would post the link to the article but I don't have enough posts under my belt to do that yet.

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          • is MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT= America?

            Hi everyone, i dont usually post very often but something recently has brought my attention and would like to know if MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT is the United States.

            Im not date setting, or playing pin the tail on the AC but is it possible that all the scripture speaking of a NEW BABYLON IS THE U.S?

            could we soon be emerging as the head of the EU into NWO?

            I have a lot of scripture that fits right in line that it is......





            The vast majority of Christians in the United States have been taught that America is simply not in Bible prophecy. No matter where one may turn, America is not there, either by name or by any form of code name either. Thus say the host of America's Christian clergy to their flock. The second thing they are told is that Babylon is NEVER TAUGHT ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE AS A NATION. Babylon is a SYSTEM, and most view it as a RELIGIOUS SYSTEM OF SOME SORT.

            Prophecy said these views would surface at the time of end. It is the mark of apostasy to DENY YOUR IDENTITY, YOUR SIN, AND THE TIME OF YOUR VISITATION. In fact, that is the essence of all apostasy, THE REJECTION OF SCRIPTURE AS IT APPLIES TO A PERSON, COMMUNITY OR NATION. It is always SOMEONE ELSE, SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND AT SOME UNKNOWN "FUTURE TIME". Never is it NOW, US and OUR NATION.

            Does it not seem odd to you that America, the GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD, the greatest evangelical nation; that took the Gospel of Christ to the four corners of the world; THE RICHEST NATION ON THE EARTH, who has given more aid to nations than any other; THE NATION TO HAVE WON TWO MAJOR WORLD WARS and many others; IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE? That God would forget a nation that has been central to the survival of Israel in this age? Not even in a cryptic way?

            That is like saying God is blind in one eye, and cannot see out of the other! It is accusing God of utter negligence! But it is not God who is NEGLIGENT. It is not God who FORGOT AMERICA in prophecy. It is not God who failed to paint a picture that was obvious to those that wanted to find it. IT IS NOT GOD, BUT THE FALSE PROPHETS OF AMERICA WHO HAVE UTTERLY FAILED THEIR FLOCK. They are DECEIVED, AND THUS ARE DECEIVERS AND HYPOCRITES, FOR THEY LEAD MILLIONS TO ETERNAL RUIN.

            God told the citizens of BABYLON THE GREAT, AMERICA, exactly what would happen in America, and pointed a finger directly at the CHRISTIAN SHEPHERDS. Why do you suppose that God would do that? Why would He pick a specific group and lay the blame right at their feet? Because it is GOD'S PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE ANTICHRIST NATION, THE NATION THAT SPAWNS ANTICHRIST. Remember that antichrist rises in DECEPTION.

            "My people (Christians) hath been LOST SHEEP

            (UNSAVED, UNREGENERATE - HELL BOUND):

            THEIR SHEPHERDS

            (THE CHRISTIAN CLERGY, THE EVANGELISTS, THE PREACHERS, THE TEACHERS)

            HAVE CAUSED THEM TO GO ASTRAY,..(Jeremiah 50:6).

            The shepherds of God's people in Babylon America embrace a FALSE SALVATION GOSPEL (Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1-3), which leads MILLIONS into eternal ruin. Their salvation Gospel is an UTTERLY FALSE GOSPEL. It is "sugar-coated", and an ALL POSITIVE GOSPEL. That is what Jeremiah means when he says: "they have turned them AWAY on the MOUNTAINS; they have gone from MOUNTAIN TO HILL, they have FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTING PLACE."

            God fights His wars IN THE VALLEY. True salvation lies IN THE VALLEY. If you refuse the VALLEY EXPERIENCE (THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THE SALVATION DOCTRINE) you will never FIND YOUR RESTING PLACE. Jesus said you MUST PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM. Babylon's gospel of salvation HAS NO CROSS, NO DEATH OF SELF, AND THEREFORE NO TRUE LIFE. It is an utterly false salvation doctrine. IT SWEEPS THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICAN CHRISTIANS INTO ETERNAL HELLFIRE. That is why God says they ARE LOST SHEEP. They ARE lost, LOST FOREVER.

            "We are confounded, because we have heard REPROACH;

            SHAME HATH COVERED OUR FACES:

            FOR STRANGERS ARE COME INTO THE SANCTUARIES OF THE LORD'S HOUSE

            (Jeremiah 51:51)."

            Indeed, the false Christian clergy ARE STRANGERS and they hold forth a FALSE GOSPEL, that leads to their REPROACH AND LOSS at the judgment seat of Christ. They shall one and all BE ASHAMED, and now face ETERNAL RUIN FOR EVER AND EVER. This is the primary reason why AMERICAN CHRISTIANS reject that America is Babylon. They have been UTTERLY MISLEAD BY FALSE SHEPHERDS. It is part of prophecy. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE ONE OF THEM! You can extricate yourself from God's disfavor by SIMPLY ACCEPTING WHAT GOD SAYS AS FACT, and rejecting all the nonsense of these hell bound false leaders.

            In this first part of our investigation we will focus on the aspect of whether or not God teaches that Babylon the Great is in fact A NATION AMONG THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. GOD SAYS BABYLON IS A NATION. To claim otherwise is to utterly contradict GOD and all of HIS PROPHETS that spoke of BABYLON. The mark of a FALSE TEACHER is one who DENIES OR CONTRADICTS THE WORD OF GOD, usually in an effort to prove his/her views correct. WE ARE ALL LIARS, AND GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH.

            The issue before you, then, is not your opinion, your biases, your intelligence, your standing before God, your education or your denominational belief structure. IT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL ACCEPT WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY EXACTLY AS HE SAYS IT. The vast majority of Christians WILL NOT ACCEPT WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY. They refuse it, alter it, deny it, contradict it, or pervert it, and twist it. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY CHRIST SAID THE VAST MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS WILL NEVER ENTER HEAVEN AT ALL. They shall be ETERNALLY SENT AWAY INTO RUIN AND LOSS. It was not that they COULD NOT ACCEPT WHAT GOD SAID, but THAT THEY WOULD NOT.

            In view of the EXTREME SHORTNESS OF THE HOUR, PLEASE SIMPLY ACCEPT WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY, and take it into your heart. NO MATTER HOW IT MAKES YOU FEEL, DO IT NOW!!

            FACT ONE: BABYLON THE GREAT IS A NATION.

            When we say Babylon is a nation, we mean to say that she is A LAWFUL NATION, A NATION WITH SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES, A NATION RECOGNIZED IN INTERNATIONAL LAW, A NATION CAPABLE OF ENTERING INTO TREATIES, A NATION WITH A CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, AND A NATION RECOGNIZED BY THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH. That is a nation with a SPECIFIC LAND MASS, DEFINED BOUNDARIES BY LAW, A NATION WITH A PEOPLE THAT GO BY A SPECIFIC NAME, A NATION WITH URBAN AREAS, CITIES, TOWNS AND RURAL DISTRICTS, FARMS, LAKES, FORESTS, ETC. That is what we mean by a nation, and that is what GOD MEANS BY A NATION.

            Babylon is referred to in the Scriptures as a nation both directly and indirectly. Often the term KINGDOM and NATION are used interchangeably. We will first of all examine those areas in the Old Testament prophecies that identify BABYLON THE GREAT as a nation, as a SINGULAR ENTITY, not some world wide system. Jeremiah 50:12 is a good place to start:

            "Your mother shall be sore confounded;

            she that bare you shall be ashamed:

            BEHOLD, THE HINDER-MOST OF THE NATIONS

            shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert."



            This is a direct reference to BABYLON THE GREAT, who is also called THE DAUGHTER OF BABYLON. Jeremiah calls her directly THE HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS. You view this his perspective, as he looks down the tunnel of time - the HINDERMOST from him would be the LAST BABYLON. That means the LAST BABYLON TO RISE BEFORE THE END. The last and the YOUNGEST OF ALL THE GREAT NATIONS AT THE END TIME. In comparison with the other nations of the world, at the time of the end, SHE WILL BE THE YOUNGEST AND ALSO THE MOST POWERFUL NATION AMONG THE GREAT NATIONS. America fits that description perfectly. She is the YOUNGEST and yet the most powerful NATION among the NATIONS of the world.

            We know for a fact that this must refer to a limited LAND MASS AREA WITH SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES, for THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOT DESTROYED, but BABYLON THE NATION IS DESTROYED. This latter day Babylon has a mother, which is also a NATION. This mother was responsible for "birthing" this mighty Babylon of the end times. If Iraq is Babylon as some try to claim, WHO IS THE MOTHER OF IRAQ? If you read this verse carefully, it says that the MOTHER NATION PRECEDED BABYLON, GAVE BIRTH TO HER, WATCHES HER RISE TO FULL POWER, AND WATCHES HER DIE IN FIRE. Again, WHO IS THE MOTHER OF IRAQ? Iraq has none.

            Who is the mother of Rome, which is often presented as BABYLON? Rome is not a nation, but a city. Further, SHE HAS NO MOTHER. Who is the mother of the EC, which is often presented as BABYLON, THE REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE? In point of fact, SHE WILL HAVE NO MOTHER, and further, BABYLON THE GREAT is always shown as a SINGLE NATION FROM HER BIRTH TO HER RISE TO FULL POWER AND GLORY. The EC does not qualify. Each parameter must be fulfilled. You CANNOT PICK AND CHOSE that which you wish to present to prove your case.

            However, AMERICA has a mother. This mother was DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HER BIRTH. That mother PRECEDED HER. England has been around awhile. England gave birth to America, and England is still around, and ENGLAND WILL WATCH AMERICA BURN. England is further confirmed as the mother of BABYLON THE GREAT by Daniel the Prophet in Daniel 7:4 (THE LION). Ezekiel also mentions it in Ezekiel 38/39 as "TARSHISH", who gives birth to "young cubs". Tarshish is a cryptic reference to ENGLAND and her young cubs are America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Daniel refers to her as a LION. The national symbol of England is A LION. The eagle wings on top the lion IS AMERICA, HER DAUGHTER. America's national symbol is THE EAGLE WITH OUTSTRETCHED WINGS.

            BABYLON THE GREAT IS A NATION. We would not need any other reference to prove it, because ONE DIRECT REFERENCE IS ENOUGH! There are many more. Habakkuk is a key prophet in identification of BABYLON THE GREAT. He is usually ignored by prophecy "experts".

            "For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans (New Babylon),

            THAT BITTER AND HASTY NATION,

            which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces

            that are not their's

            (Habakkuk 1:6)".



            Notice the term NATION. Not NATIONS, or any GROUP OF NATIONS, but always ONE NATION, A SINGULAR NATION. Again God calls BABYLON THE GREAT A NATION. She is also referred to as a KINGDOM, the same as a nation. Babylon is always referred to IN THE SINGULAR.

            "And BABYLON, THE GLORY OF KINGDOMS,

            the beauty of the Chaldee's excellency,

            shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah

            (Isaiah 13:19)."



            Here Isaiah calls Babylon A KINGDOM, in fact, she IS THE QUEEN AMONG ALL THE KINGDOMS/NATIONS OF THE EARTH. She is the leading power of the WHOLE WORLD. Notice her end: BY FIRE. That is EXACTLY WHAT JEREMIAH SAYS, and that is EXACTLY WHAT REVELATION 17 and 18 say. SHE WILL BE BURNED UTTERLY WITH FIRE. From coast to coast, from sea to shining sea. There is a complete HARMONY OF SCRIPTURE.

            "Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness,

            O DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS:

            for thou shalt no more be called,

            THE LADY OF KINGDOMS

            (Isaiah 47:5)."



            Isaiah again refers to her as THE QUEEN OF ALL THE KINGDOMS. She is presented in Scripture as being the MOST POWERFUL OF ALL END TIME NATIONS. None can come close to her in terms to WEALTH, POWER, MILITARY, AGRICULTURE, MANUFACTURING, MU-SIC, CATTLE, HORSES, AUTO-MOBILES AND TRUCKS, AIR-CRAFT AND SPACE EXPLORATION. All of these attributes are listed by the prophets as they describe BABYLON THE NATION. The point being she is REPEATEDLY REFERRED TO AS A SINGULAR KINGDOM, A SINGULAR NATION.

            Babylon the Great is also referred to as the DAUGHTER OF BABYLON, and also THE DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS. It is important to note that IT IS AGAIN A SINGULAR DAUGHTER. It is not DAUGHTER(S) OF BABYLON, but the ONE SINGULAR DAUGHTER. The word for "daughter" is "bath", and it means OFFSPRING OR DESCENDENT of Babylon. LIKE MOTHER, LIKE DAUGHTER. It means that this DAUGHTER OF BABYLON will be OF THE SAME TYPE, OF THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS.

            Ancient Babylon was the splendor of the world. She was the center of world trade, the richest and most powerful nation in the known world. Jesus said that AS IT WAS, SO SHALL IT BE!

            "For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel;

            THE DAUGHTER OF BABYLON is like a threshingfloor,

            it is time to thresh her: yet a little while,

            and the time of her harvest shall come

            (Jeremiah 51:33)."



            Mighty Babylon, THE GREAT NATION OF THE END TIMES, is going to be PULVERIZED. She is to be UTTERLY DEMOLISHED FOR HER SINS.

            "Come down, and sit in the dust, O VIRGIN DAUGHTER OF BABYLON,

            sit on the ground: THERE IS NO THRONE,

            O DAUGHTER OF THE CHALDEANS:

            for thou shalt no more be called TENDER AND DELICATE

            (Isaiah 47:1)."



            Here Isaiah calls BABYLON THE GREAT the QUEEN OF THE NATIONS, but her throne has been taken from her. She has been REMOVED AS THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD, and made to sit in the dust. Notice the SINGULAR ASPECT, ONE DAUGHTER, ONE THRONE, ONE QUEEN. BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT A GROUP OF NATIONS AS THE EC, OR A SYSTEM, BUT ONE NATION, a nation that SPAWNS ALL THE END TIME SYSTEMS OF THE WORLD: POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, AND RELIGIOUS. In other words BABYLON THE NATION is responsible for the BABYLONIAN WORLD WIDE SYSTEM IT CREATES. And behind it all stands MYSTERY - WHICH THE BIBLE DEFINES AS SECRET RELIGIOUS ORDERS.

            The Lord also uses the word "MOUNTAIN" to describe a kingdom or nation. Jeremiah 51 is a prophecy against the nation Babylon. Jeremiah says in 51:25:

            "Behold, I am against thee, O DESTROYING MOUNTAIN,

            saith the Lord, which destroyest ALL THE EARTH:

            and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee,

            and roll thee down from the rocks (other nations), and will make thee a

            BURNT MOUNTAIN (nation)."



            Notice again it is a SINGULAR MOUNTAIN, not MOUNTAINS in the plural. Notice how the Lord calls BABYLON THE GREAT A MOUNTAIN, and the other nations are ROCKS. So Babylon, compared to the other NATIONS OF THE WORLD, is a MOUNTAIN AMONG THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. She is again portrayed as the BIGGEST, MOST POWERFUL SINGULAR NATION IN THE WORLD.

            With one accord, the prophets say that BABYLON IS A SINGULAR NATION. This is vital to your understanding AS TO WHY AMERICA PLAYS THE ROLE SHE PLAYS IN END TIME PROPHECY. It is America, THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, that is held responsible BY GOD for all the evils that spread over the whole earth. IT IS FROM THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, and specifically FROM THE LITERAL CITY WITHIN THE NATIONAL BOUNDARIES OF BABYLON, CALLED MYSTERY BABYLON, THE GREAT CITY BABYLON, that all of these systems are spawned and nourished by the RICH MEN OF THE EARTH. In short, NEW YORK CITY, the GREATEST CITY WITHIN AMERICA, is held by God as being the CHIEF INSTIGATOR AND PROPAGATOR OF ALL THE EVIL SYSTEMS SHE CREATES.

            The argument that Babylon is ONLY A WORLD SYSTEM utterly contradicts the Lord God and his prophets. BABYLON IS ALWAYS PRESENTED AS A NATION THAT GOES FORTH FROM ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION AND FROM THAT LOCATION CONQUERS THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH THE SYSTEMS SHE CREATED. A spider weaves a large web, but she has to start from one place. Scripture is adamant and clear: SHE BEGINS AT BABYLON THE NATION, AND BABYLON THE CITY. Through her slowly expanding system of trade, economics, military power, political power and religious power, BABYLON'S WEB SNARES THE WORLD.

            That is why God says that THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS, THE PROPHETS AND ALL THAT WERE SLAIN UPON THE EARTH (Revelation 18:24), CAN BE TRACED BACK TO BABYLON THE NATION, AND TO BABYLON THE LITERAL CITY. It always comes back to roost at the feet of a SINGULAR NATION AND A CITY. America is turning rapidly ANTI-CHRISTIAN. The UNITED NATIONS, for all of its speech about HATRED AND INTOLORENCE, is ANTI-CHRISTIAN TO ITS CORE. God speaks to the United Nations in the Psalms, and MOCKS THEM for taking HIS WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH and then PERVERTING THEM, REVERSING THEM.

            The KING OF BABYLON THE NATION, is presented in the Scripture AS THE ANTICHRIST (LUCIFER). THIS KING, OF THE NATION BABYLON THE GREAT, goes forth and conquers and then RULES OVER THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD. Check Isaiah 14:4-6, Jeremiah 51:25; 44; Habakkuk 1:6-10; 2:4-5; Revelation 13:7-8; 17:18; 18:24, and you will see this. It is THE KING OF BABYLON in every single instance that GOES FORTH TO CONQUER AND TO DESTROY AND RULE THE NATIONS. It is ALWAYS BABYLON THE NATION AND THE CITY, from whence he gets his POWER TO DO IT. It is BABYLON THE NATION, through its deceptive front THE UNITED NATIONS, that rules the world FROM THE GREAT CITY BABYLON, which is NEW YORK CITY. That is why the UN is located in NEW YORK. It is no accident. It is not a coincidence!!

            That means that THE KING OF BABYLON must be, and has to be, A PRESIDENT/RULER OVER BABYLON THE NATION, and will also be at the end, A SUPER SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UNITED NATIONS, A WORLD PRESIDENT. The occult knows ALL OF THIS. It is in almost all of their writings. They have written about the SECRET DESTINY OF AMERICA. Isaiah and Jeremiah claim the occult have labored from the inception of the nation to bring LUCIFER into the world. If the OCCULT FORCES KNOW THAT AMERICA IS TO SPAWN AND BE RULED BY LUCIFER (THE KING OF BABYLON), then why cannot Christians ACCEPT IT?

            The ANSWER LIES IN THE REJECTION OF THE WORD OF GOD; IN APOSTASY. It lies in an utter refusal to ACCEPT GOD AT HIS WORD. Jeremiah said the Christian leaders in America would UTTERLY REJECT THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE, and lead their flocks astray. THAT PROPHECY HAS BEEN FULFILLED IN AMERICA. If you refuse these parameters, you will never understand why America is getting involved, through its front the UNITED NATIONS, in many nations around the world! It is THE KING OF BABYLON or the antichrist (LUCIFER), that goes forth and conquers the nations of the world, AND RULES THEM IN ANGER. You have to START from some specific location, AND THAT LOCATION IS AMERICA, THE NATION, BABYLON THE GREAT.

            As one might expect, A NATION would have CITIES within her borders, and if that is true, there would be a reference to same:

            "...and I will kindle a fire IN HIS CITIES....

            (Jeremiah 50:32).';

            "HER CITIES are a desolation,...

            (Jeremiah 51:43)."



            We find specific references to the CITIES OF BABYLON THE GREAT. The NATION has cities, and great ones at that, for THE CITY BABYLON is a mirror reflection of the NATION and her OTHER CITIES. Thus, in America, NEW YORK CITY is a reflection of MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, CHICAGO, LOS ANGELES, SAN DIEGO, SAN FRANCISCO, DALLAS, HOUSTON, ATLANTA, ETC. The nation is portrayed as the greatest NATION IN THE WORLD. There is none her equal anywhere on the globe. A nation would also have VAST LAND AREAS. If Babylon is truly a NATION, then references to her LAND would be found:





            "And against her LAND.."

            "that shalt make her land desolate..."

            "go forth out of the land."

            "the sound of battle is in the land.."

            "In the land of the Chaldeans.."

            "out of the LAND of Babylon.."

            "It is the LAND of graven images.."

            "and shall empty HER LAND.."

            "A LAND where no man dwelleth.."

            "Her WHOLE LAND shall be confounded..."

            "and THROUGH ALL HER LAND..."

            "from the LAND of the Chaldeans..."



            It should be self evident that BABYLON IS A SINGULAR NATION. She has huge cities, but one VERY SPECIAL CITY, THE LARGEST CITY WITHIN HER BORDERS THAT IS ALSO THE LARGEST SEAPORT CITY OF THE NATION! She has a huge land mass, and thus has NATIONAL BOUNDARIES. She is recognized in the family of NATIONS as the greatest nation in the whole earth. America fulfills that parameter.

            The context is plain and simple. BABYLON THE GREAT IS AN END TIME NATION, THAT PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE IN END TIME EVENTS, A SINGULAR ENTITY. To claim otherwise is to UTTERLY CONTRADICT GOD. It is to spit in His face and call him a liar. The refusal to accept the fact that BABYLON THE GREAT IS A NATION AMONG THE NATIONS is one of the PRIMARY REASONS why many modern day prophetic scholars cannot understand WORLD EVENTS, as they relate to literal prophecy. They do not understand who America is, nor WHAT SHE WILL DO. They reject with mocking and vehemence all suggestions that America is BABYLON THE GREAT. They are thus DECEIVED, AND ARE DECEIVING OTHERS.

            They are looking at the EC and some form of REVIVED ROMAN EMPIRE, which according to the Scripture, WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Did you know that John the Revelator UTTERLY DENIES A REVIVAL OF ROME? He does! This is not to say the EC is not important, for the EC is in reality the formation of BIOREGION TWO of the UNITED NATIONS TEN WORLD REGIONS. It too will pay a major role in the future. So these folks are always looking at some other place, while ALL OF IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSE. The United Nations is rising up right in front of them, the American government is becoming more draconian and dictatorial, more and more openly antichrist, and is now involved in the actual extermination of Christians, such as the Randy Weaver case and the WACO Branch Davidians. and the false prophets CHEERED THEM ON! The nation is engulfed in every antichrist religion in the world, and the false prophets are TOTALLY BLIND AS TO WHY! However, by their refusal to accept the Word of God they fulfill the prophecies against the shepherds of Babylon.

            This nation, this SINGULAR ENTITY has certain key CHARACTERISTICS that identify her. In the next issue we will review these PARAMETERS to prove that AMERICA, AND AMERICA ONLY MUST BE, AND IS, BABYLON THE GREAT. There is no other nation upon earth that fulfills the parameters listed for BABYLON THE GREAT, NOT ONE, NOT ANYWHERE! AMERICA ALONE DOES. It is not IRAQ; IT IS NOT ROME; IT IS NOT THE EC. IT IS AMERICA. When you finally begin to grasp that one central key fact, then THE REST OF THE PROPHETIC PICTURE WILL COME INTO CLEAR FOCUS, and you will know WHY AMERICA IS DOING WHAT SHE IS DOING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

            You will know why the United Nations is located in New York City. You will understand WHY the nations of the world ALL COME TO BABYLON AMERICA AT THE GREAT TOWER OF BABEL ON THE HUDSON. You will know why America is becoming the headquarters for every anti-God, anti-Christ religion in the world, for it is the CENTRAL SEAT OF BAAL, another name for SATAN/LUCIFER. America is the center of ALL OCCULT ACTIVITY. It falls to the occult. It falls to MYSTERY, and when it does, IT TURNS UPON ITS HERITAGE WITH A VENGENCE and destroys the people of God, and it will use TERRORISM as it primary weapon, claiming that FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE CAPABLE OF, OR CARRYING OUR "ACTS OF TERRORISM". The media will hype it. Don't believe it? Stay around for a few short months or years - and you will watch it happen in front of your eyes. THERE WILL BE A KILLING FIELDS OF AMERICA. God decreed it. It will happen.

            You will also understand WHY America was born AS A GODLY, CHRIST FEARING NATION, and why she turns and utterly destroys her heritage and rises up as the LEADING CHRIST HATING NATION IN THE WORLD. It has happened exactly as Jeremiah said it would. You will know why NEW YORK'S WALL STREET is the financial capitol of the world, and why the RICH MEN OF THE EARTH all have offices in THE GREAT CITY BABYLON. You will know why the WORLD TRADE CENTER sits in New York City. You will understand why the New York Stock Exchange is the most important exchange in the world. If Wall Street falls, the WHOLE WORLD FALLS WITH IT! Youl will know why CNN's MONEYLINE with LOU DOBBS comes on the air with the statment "FROM FINANCIAL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD", located in NEW YORK CITY, BABYLON THE GREAT CITY, home of THE UNITED NATIONS.

            You will know why New York City is the largest SEAPORT CITY in the Western Hemisphere, and why America is surrounded by warm water seaports and trades by the sea with every nation upon earth. You will see why God said she "sits upon many waters", that is, SHE IS SURROUNDED BY LARGE BODIES OF WATER each with a different name. Thus the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Gulf of Mexico, The Arctic, the Great Lakes, the mighty Mississippi. You will see what God meant when he said that Babylon the Great would be a nation formed out of every tribe and tongue on earth, who slowly migrated to ONE NATION and formed THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. That is why America has "E PLURIBUS UNUM" as it's motto! It was foretold by God!

            You will understand why the U.S. Military is being used by the United Nations, for God said Babylon would have the greatest military machine the world ever knew or ever would know, but in the end, because she rejected Christ, it would fail her. YOU WILL KNOW WHY THE AMERICAN MILITARY IS BEING DOWNSIZED AND IT'S LEADERS ARE CLAIMING THERE IS NO MAJOR THREAT - FOR GOD SAID THEY WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT.

            You will know why America is the central nation involved in GLOBALISM, and is the chief instigator of the NEW WORLD ORDER, and why it is America that issued State Department Document 7277. You will know why American Corporations and their leaders have spanned the globe, for they are the MIGHTY MERCHANTS OF BABYLON THE GREAT, whom God calls THE GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH. You will understand why AMERICA WILL BE, AND HAS TO BE THE KEY ANTICHRIST NATION OF THE END TIMES. It is the KING OF BABYLON OF THE NATION BABYLON, that is the LUCIFER. He will go forth in anger and RULE THE WORLD FROM NEW YORK CITY, called the GOLDEN CITY, right at the UNITED NATIONS. (Isaiah 14:4-6). You will understand why the United Nations will be granted the right to TAX, and why it will destroy the nations through that ability! IT IS COMING, AND COMING FAST.

            You will know all of this because GOD TOLD US via his prophets, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Habakkuk, and a host of others that the NATION, BABYLON THE GREAT, would be all of this and much more. Jesus Christ said that as it was in the days of Noah, so would it be again. Many Christians do not realize that Noah lived 350 years AFTER the flood. He saw Nimrod's BABYLONIA (The nation). He saw the MIGHTY CITY BABYLON that sat within the boundaries of the nation Babylonia. He saw the TOWER OF BABEL, that was beside the GREAT CITY. AS IT WAS, SO IT SHALL BE AGAIN.

            There will be a NATION, at the time of the end, that is A TYPE of ancient BABYLONIA, an offspring, a look alike DAUGTER. Within this New Babylonia will be a large city BY A RIVER. This large city BY A RIVER will reflect the wealth and power of the nation. Within the area of THE GREAT CITY BY A RIVER will be a TOWER OF BABEL, which represents A GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, A GLOBAL ECONOMY, AND A GLOBAL RELIGION.

            This NATION AND CITY are referred to as a LADY, a QUEEN, because she reflects the ancient religion of Old Babylon, which included a QUEEN OF HEAVEN. Thus a symbol of some sort WILL SIT BY THE SHORES OF BABYLON that represents THIS LADY, THIS QUEEN. Is it coincidence that THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, A LADY, sits in NEW YORK HARBOR, NOT FAR FROM THE UNITED NATIONS? OR THAT THOSE INVOLVED WITH THIS STATUE HOLD TO A RELIGION IDENTICAL TO NIMROD, THE FIRST ANTICHRIST? WAKE UP, O YE CHRISTIANS, FOR THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT!!

            It is mere coincidence that America reflects in every way ancient Babylonia? From her laws to her three class system, she mimics ancient Babylon. Is it mere coincidence that within the confines of America's boundaries lies a CITY ON A RIVER? That is known as BABYLON ON THE HUDSON? Is it coincidence that within that City, is a glass tower that sits BY THE RIVER, and that tower represents man's attempt to rule the world without God? Is it coincidence that the United Nation's religion is identical to ANCIENT NIMROD? That the UN stands for GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, and is pushing hard for a one world economy, and wants the world to embrace her RELIGION?

            You have a choice to make. You can either believe God or the false prophets of Babylon. You can either accept the truth of Scripture, or the apostasy of the false shepherds. You can either save your soul, and count it worthy, or you can hate your soul, and cast your lot with the Babylonian false shepherds of eternal ruin. IT IS YOUR CHOICE.

            THE IDENTITY OF AMERICA AS BABYLON THE GREAT

            IS YOUR KEY TO THE WHOLE MYSTERY OF THE END TIMES.



            It will become very clear to you why AMERICA will produce ANTICHRIST. He will rise up right in front of the noses of the apostate Christians who will embrace Him with their whole heart, for they REJECTED TRUTH, REJECTED GOD, AND REJECTED CHRIST. It will be the deception of all deceptions. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT DECEPTION! "COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, THAT YE NOT BE PARTAKERS OF HER PLAGUES.

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              • Originally posted by icebear View Post
                Matthew 22:36-40

                36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' 40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

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                • Originally posted by icebear View Post
                  ditto.

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                  • Originally posted by icebear View Post


                    And something else to bear in mind...

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                    • Originally posted by icebear View Post
                      I understand that Babylon will be rebuilt, is being rebuilt now, in the original location in the Mideast.

                      My question on this Babylon is how long it will take for it to become the vital nerve center of the Antichrist that it is supposed to be in the tribulation?

                      Rev Chapters 17 and 18.

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                      • Originally posted by Traveling Through View Post
                        I understand that Babylon will be rebuilt, is being rebuilt now, in the original location in the Mideast.

                        My question on this Babylon is how long it will take for it to become the vital nerve center of the Antichrist that it is supposed to be in the tribulation?

                        Rev Chapters 17 and 18.
                        Yep..Babylon,Iraq is being rebuilt...and God said it would after a whirlwind war. He also said it will be destroyed ,that the rebuilding would just be fuel for the fire.
                        So as far as MB being the USA...I will keep an open mind. Why did John refer to it as Mystery Babylon? He knew Babylon and it was still a vital city at his time,although not what it was in ancient days.
                        Why at the end does he say Heaven and Earth rejoice at the fall of Babylon ,Iraq and to sink it into the river in Jeremiah...but for MB Earth laments and Heaven rejoices at the fall of it. Also..MB is sunk into the sea. Those subtle differences are there for a reason....but it is unclear why.jmho

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                        • Originally posted by Angel001 View Post
                          Yep..Babylon,Iraq is being rebuilt...and God said it would after a whirlwind war. He also said it will be destroyed ,that the rebuilding would just be fuel for the fire.
                          So as far as MB being the USA...I will keep an open mind. Why did John refer to it as Mystery Babylon? He knew Babylon and it was still a vital city at his time,although not what it was in ancient days.
                          Why at the end does he say Heaven and Earth rejoice at the fall of Babylon ,Iraq and to sink it into the river in Jeremiah...but for MB Earth laments and Heaven rejoices at the fall of it. Also..MB is sunk into the sea. Those subtle differences are there for a reason....but it is unclear why.jmho
                          In my humble opinion, I think John referred to it as a Mystery Babylon simply because it would be like Babylon was in those days with their towers, however, the word mystery is key here as I think he meant "unknown" until the proper time period which "could be" now. Any other suggestions? It is my only intention to seek the truth and so I appreciate all feedback! God Bless!

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                          • The Book of Revelation gives some descriptions of the city of "Babylon." It will sit on 7 hills. It will have a history of shedding the blood of the saints and the prophets. And it will be located where people on ships can watch it burn when it's destroyed. The literal Babylon does not fit those descriptions, but Rome does. Therefore, I believe the city will be Rome. Since it was the political and economic capital of the old Roman Empire, it makes sense that it would also be the political and economic capital of the revived version during the Tribulation, and the world wouldn't have to wait years for it to be rebuilt either before it could be used for that purpose.


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                            • Originally posted by kgreen20 View Post
                              The Book of Revelation gives some descriptions of the city of "Babylon." It will sit on 7 hills. It will have a history of shedding the blood of the saints and the prophets. And it will be located where people on ships can watch it burn when it's destroyed. The literal Babylon does not fit those descriptions, but Rome does. Therefore, I believe the city will be Rome. Since it was the political and economic capital of the old Roman Empire, it makes sense that it would also be the political and economic capital of the revived version during the Tribulation, and the world wouldn't have to wait years for it to be rebuilt either before it could be used for that purpose.
                              Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler have a very friendly and long standing debate going on about this very thing. They have mutual respect for each other but differing opinions.

                              I find both sides of the argument very interesting.
                              Matthew 22:36-40

                              36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' 40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

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                              • Originally posted by Mark777 View Post
                                Dave Hunt and Chuck Missler have a very friendly and long standing debate going on about this very thing. They have mutual respect for each other but differing opinions.

                                I find both sides of the argument very interesting.
                                I have doubts about the Mystery Babylon being the original Babylon simply because I see it taking some time for Babylon, Iraq to build up the influence it should have during the Trib.

                                Of course, the same thing holds true for Rome.

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