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  • #46
    [QUOTE=ClarionCall;1173883]All,

    I just watched a video on NBC about the US giving $700,000 to help protect the original ruins of Babylon. Looking at this video, I see a conflict between our expectation of the rapture in the immediate future and the readiness of this site to serve as a capital of the NWO. Frankly, it is just ruins and would take many, many years to build anything close to what would be needed to actually run a world-wide government.

    So, are we wrong about Babylon being the actual physical location of the capital and should be looking for a figurative Babylon instead? Or, are we very wrong about the feeling many of us have that the rapture will be happening very, very soon?

    Thoughts?



    My thoughts have always been along these lines; The Tribulation doesn't begin with the Rapture. I believe there will be many years between the Rapture and the beginning of the Trib, maybe as many as ten years.

    I don't think people realize that a one world currency is NOT going to happen immediately, regardless of what most on this site believe. People have been claiming the OWC was going to be happening "any day now" since I began lurking at this site when it was in its infancy. We are still a ways away from a OWC. I believe the OWC will be used in connection with the MOTB and allow the AC to control the world economy, or at least most of the world.

    We could be very close to the Rapture, yet quite a distance from Babylon becoming the headquarters of the NWO/UN/AC regime. Babylon will take years to rebuild. If they started today and worked non-stop for the next decade, they would be almost ready. It will not rise again for at least a decade though. One of the Mod's used a great example in Dubai. The company I work for insures many of the cranes used in constructing the skyscrapers and the equipment used to construct the roads/highways and infrastructure. Babylon WILL be rebuilt, but it won't be for at least a decade.

    I have to add this part...... There are always those that say the OWC or the new temple is already in waiting...... I'm sorry, but that either isn't true or someone has a huge warehouse bill. Christian authors have been claiming since the 70's that "the person they know on the inside" tells them the temple is ready and just needs to be assembled, or that they are being told "the OWC is already a done deal and will be implemented on a whim". Folks, that isn't going to, and can't, happen. When the Lord is ready, it will all fall into place, not a minute sooner. With all the converts in China being saved on a daily basis, I don't think the Lord is going to cut their opportunity short just so we in America don't have to go through some trials first. America has walked away from God, not vice versa.

    Just my .02.

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    • #47
      Remember iraq has 80 billion in surplus cash from oil sales and if u take the envirnmoent worldwide in 2008 compared to everything that has happened so fast in just the past 2 months there is no way it will be that long. I also believe the 70 year bible generation theory for everything to be completed. israel reborn in 1948, its been 61 yrs from her rebirth, if u add 7 years of trib to that u get 68 years. So going on the basis that the rapture will put the final collapse on everything weve seen happen in the past 2 months ie. give the economy the last fall it would need for the world leaders to activate a one world economy etc. although debateable, i think the bible generation is 70 years, and jesus said that that generation would still be alive when all things were fulfilled. so even a baby born on that very 1948 day wud be 61 now or 68 taking the future 7 years of tribulation. if the rapture were to occur tommorow and u take 70-68 years, then that still gives 2 years of us being gone and the a/c seeting up his government etc. Also take into account that the trib doesnt start until the 7 year peace treaty, and israel burns the spoils from magog war for 7 years, so it becomes evident that the damascus destruction and magog wars must occur before the peace treaty, which i believe will be immediately before or after the rapture, giving the a/c at least a 2 year start.

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      • #48
        http://www.yeshuatyisrael.com/babylon.htm

        This website is a little old, but it has some info on why Babylon should be literal Babylon.

        Just remember, people used to think Israel was a metaphor for the church, but we know what happened with that.

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        • #49
          We need to keep in mind the powderkeg forming around Israel and all the saber-rattling going on will probably not take years to come to a head. Once that happens,IMO, things will begin to happen at a feverish pace.

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          • #50
            Hold on I know how we could fix Babylon and have it up and running in a month so we can be out of here faster. We can ask Ty Pennington and his group from Extreme Home Makeover to become Extreme Babylon Makeover if they can get a house up and running with all the volunteers maybe just maybe he can get a big enough group around and have Babylon up and running in a month. LOL LOL

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            • #51
              Originally posted by getlost63 View Post
              Hold on I know how we could fix Babylon and have it up and running in a month so we can be out of here faster. We can ask Ty Pennington and his group from Extreme Home Makeover to become Extreme Babylon Makeover if they can get a house up and running with all the volunteers maybe just maybe he can get a big enough group around and have Babylon up and running in a month. LOL LOL

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bethshaya View Post


                Don't forget, the city of Babylon is one thing (in ruins), but it didn't say "city" in scripture, it just said "Babylon the great is fallen".

                The term the great, is megistos, which means "a very wide application". It also means "be very afraid".

                That area that once encompassed the Babylonian empire is highlighted above. Also note that the US just built a new, very large embassy in Iraq.


                Revelation 18
                1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illumined with his glory. 2 And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.


                Revelation 18
                1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

                2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

                3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

                4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

                5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

                6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

                7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

                8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

                9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

                10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

                11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

                12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

                13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

                14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

                15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

                16And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

                17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

                18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
                19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

                20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

                21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

                22And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

                23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

                24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

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                • #53
                  Excellent reading and great question about Babylon. I think it begs the question......why?

                  We all I think agree that God raises up nations through time to carry out His purpose and will nothing just happens. Prior to 48 Israel was just the church. So God raised up Israel and a nation was born in a day. From 70 AD until May 13 1948 no Israel and then in one day Israel was born (Much like the rapture perhaps in thousands of years of history in one day in a blink of an eye) So from 70 AD until 1948 no Israel it seems the church was moving through history a mystery to old testament.

                  Israel stands today. Jerusalem seems all roads to world peace run through Jerusalem. The trends seem to indicate something big is comming. As we know the world became interested in the nation of Iraq in 91 and we fought a war there. Then we fought a second war there and threw down a tyrant. The power of the world seems to be focused on Iraq. Where was Iraq in the world scene during WWII, WWI, during the 1700s where was Iraq in the 50s,60s, 70s I can remember as a kid Iraq and Iran fighting a bloody war in the 80s.

                  So the question is why has God raised Iraq up in what seems the final days of the church? Why has God brought many of the world's most influential govts to do business and build and bring infrastructure? Why has God done this at a time when all of the worlds global peace initiatives lead through Jerusalem? A time when it seems the world is being rocked by powerful earthquakes, threats of tremendous solar activity in the years to come, global finance that has collapsed with a call to a new global currency which seems to lead to a global financial coalition? Why at a time like this in our lifetime? I think in a blink of an eye one day soon just like the day that Israel was born after 2000 years the Rapture will happen after 2000 years of church history. Many of these questions will be awnsered because we can see powerful trends forming that simply can not happen by just the will of men.

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                  • #54
                    Babylon

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                    The angel in the book of Revelations does say the woman(Babylon) is that great city which rules over the kings of the earth. The city doesn't have to be on the exact same spot, I don't think.Read Zechariah 5:5-11
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                    • #55
                      I just posted this in the other Babylon forum...it fits here as well...

                      I think that modern day Baghdad is in the territory of ancient Babylon when it was at its height as a world power. I think we are seeing today the early stages of the Babylon empire of the Scripture that is prophesied for the Great Tribulation. I liken it to the generation that saw Israel become a nation. They saw it coming together, weren't sure exactly how it was playing out, but had faith that God's Word was true. We should take the same approach with Babylon, IMO.

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                      • #56
                        PrinceSomeDay... settle down, honey! All is not lost! None of us knows when that time is-remember? It could indeed, be today! There are so many things happening in the world right now that we know nothing about! Don't discount the possibility that there are people already preparing for this city to be built. This will NOT be a slow endeavor! I believe it will go up in a flash of time! Believe me, I can't even imagine (and don't want to) how much worse things can get... but God has told us it will be much worse. God's timing is best. Best for us and best for His glory. Let's not worry too much about Babylon... let's stay as close together as we can and constantly in the Word. ZI love you guys!
                        1 Thessalonians 5:4 (New International Version)

                        4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by stonewallfan View Post
                          Excellent reading and great question about Babylon. I think it begs the question......why?

                          We all I think agree that God raises up nations through time to carry out His purpose and will nothing just happens. Prior to 48 Israel was just the church. So God raised up Israel and a nation was born in a day. From 70 AD until May 13 1948 no Israel and then in one day Israel was born (Much like the rapture perhaps in thousands of years of history in one day in a blink of an eye) So from 70 AD until 1948 no Israel it seems the church was moving through history a mystery to old testament.

                          Israel stands today. Jerusalem seems all roads to world peace run through Jerusalem. The trends seem to indicate something big is comming. As we know the world became interested in the nation of Iraq in 91 and we fought a war there. Then we fought a second war there and threw down a tyrant. The power of the world seems to be focused on Iraq. Where was Iraq in the world scene during WWII, WWI, during the 1700s where was Iraq in the 50s,60s, 70s I can remember as a kid Iraq and Iran fighting a bloody war in the 80s.

                          So the question is why has God raised Iraq up in what seems the final days of the church? Why has God brought many of the world's most influential govts to do business and build and bring infrastructure? Why has God done this at a time when all of the worlds global peace initiatives lead through Jerusalem? A time when it seems the world is being rocked by powerful earthquakes, threats of tremendous solar activity in the years to come, global finance that has collapsed with a call to a new global currency which seems to lead to a global financial coalition? Why at a time like this in our lifetime? I think in a blink of an eye one day soon just like the day that Israel was born after 2000 years the Rapture will happen after 2000 years of church history. Many of these questions will be awnsered because we can see powerful trends forming that simply can not happen by just the will of men.

                          Hmm good post, I like your reasoning I never thought of it like that nobody really cared about Iraq until now. It seems Saddam had to be neutralized so that Iraq would be free to play its part. Very interesting....

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                          • #58
                            Oops...feel kind of dumb, or dumber; didn't see all that ATLCYB had posted above. Disregard my menial attempt at translation!

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                            • #59
                              Wow!

                              I have been unable to respond (heavy work load...tax season).

                              All I can say is that I am overwhelmed that my simple post had anything to do with sparking such a great series of postings.

                              Thank you to all of you who wanted to encourage me.

                              Many good thoughts and observations.

                              Thanks!!!!

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                              • #60
                                i think it is literal Babylon.the Bible says what is says and is not meant to be taken allegorically.and big money has been pumped into it's rebuild.it will be back much like the terminator said he would be back.Saddam Hussein pumped a lot of money into refurbishing it and one of the big shocks came after the 1991 gulf war was the discovery of Babylon's ruins and the parts that have then so far been rebuilt.
                                In God I Trust

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