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  • #16
    Originally posted by Homesick777 View Post
    Just from personal observations, about 93% of Americans think that they are the center of the universe. Does that count?
    Obama believes he is the center of the universe and half of America believes Obama is doing a good job and Euro-Socialism is a better economy.



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    • #17
      Originally posted by Buzzardhut View Post
      Obama believes he is the center of the universe and half of America believes Obama is doing a good job and Euro-Socialism is a better economy.
      Oddly enough he believes that and his density is so intense that light bends around him, universally speaking, of course.
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      • #18
        So the brightness of his halo is determined by the density of his head?

        Audaciously speaking of course.
        It's ALL about Jesus. The Son of God - Emanuel - The Mighty God - Our Salvation.

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        • #19
          Galileo had to fight against liturgical tradition not scriptural beliefs.

          Liturgicals hold the agrarian myth that the sun gives life and their sun god enters a wheat wafer to provide eternal life.

          http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/Semiramis.pdf

          http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/Babylon/Babylon.htm

          http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/Ages.htm

          http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/SunWorship.pdf

          http://www.buzzardhut.net/Documents/Blinded.Sun.pdf

          when Galileo challenged them with exact science they were not very happy about it.



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          • #20
            Originally posted by Petezzzz View Post
            .... I did a bit of research on Geocentricism and the amount of info supporting it is surprising....
            There's a lot of "info" supporting evolution too. Doesn't make it any more valid.
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            • #21
              All the recent discoveries concerning the Higgs Boson, Dark Matter and "The Grid" all seem to point to the existence of the Aether (or similar) that was prematurely, and I could say, convieniently discarded by the scientific community. Also remember, this is the same scientific community that is propogating the evolution lie. That is a most important fact to keep in mind as you go from here. This is big!
              How do those things point to the existence of an aether? The Higgs boson is theorized as part of the standard model; finding it, which scientists might have done, will only confirm what people have thought to be true.

              Yes, there are some scientists which are biased towards evolution and I have no doubt that intellectual dishonesty is a big problem in the sciences which deal directly with evolution but there are other realms of science that aren't that way.

              Anyway, the earth most certainly rotates and revolves around the sun. One way we can tell this is because of a device called a Foucault pendulum. From Wikipedia:

              The experimental apparatus consists of a tall pendulum free to swing in any vertical plane. The actual plane of swing appears to rotate relative to the Earth; in fact the plane is fixed in space while the Earth rotates under the pendulum once a sidereal day.
              You can set up a Foucault pendulum with dominoes all around it. It depends on where you are in the world but eventually the pendulum will knock over all of the dominoes because the earth is rotating beneath the pendulum.

              Also consider the size of the universe. It's 150,000,000 km from here to the sun and that's a verifiable fact. The sun would have to be moving at an extremely high tangential velocity to rotate around the earth. The tangential velocity of an object is equal to its rotational speed times its radial distance. Rotational speed is measured in Hertz, or cycles per unit time (usually seconds). If the sun rotated around the earth, that would give it a frequency of 1/86,400 (because there are 86,400 seconds in a day and the sun would make one revolution per day), which is 1.1574 * 10^-5 Hertz. Multiplying that by the sun's distance in kilometers gives a tangential velocity of 1,736 km/s, 6,249,600 km/h. The earth only rotates around the sun at around 100,000 km/h. How could the sun be orbiting the earth at such a velocity?

              Let's look at a star that's a bit farther away. The closest star besides the sun is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.22 light years away, or 3.99*10^13 kilometers. If it rotated around the earth it too would rotate with a frequency of 1/86,400 Hz. This would give it a tangential velocity of 4.62*10^8 km/s or 1.66*10^12 km/h. This presents a bit of a problem, though. The speed of light is only 3*10^8 m/s and Proxima Centauri is moving at 4.62*10^11 m/s (that's 1,541 times the speed of light). This is impossible because as an object approaches the speed of light, it becomes more massive and thus takes more energy to accelerate. As velocity approaches the speed of light, the energy required to accelerate the object approaches infinity. This is why it's impossible to accelerate anything bigger than an atom or two towards the speed of light (and even they can't fully reach that velocity). There are stars that are hundreds of millions of light years away, in other galaxies. Those galaxies can't possibly be orbiting the earth; they would be moving at velocities magnitudes greater than the speed of light.

              Einstein said that all frames of reference are equally valid. If you were in an elevator accelerating up at 9.8 m/s^2 it would seem like you're stationary on earth. Which is more likely: that the earth spins and it only looks like everything revolves around us or that everything revolves around us? If you spin in a bar stool is it more likely that everyone else in the bar is rotating around you or that you're rotating?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                How do those things point to the existence of an aether?
                Probably considering Quantum physics which takes lots of faith.

                It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time.
                The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
                The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.



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                • #23
                  Originally posted by logosone View Post
                  Something tells me a poll of "informed" Americans might not be much better
                  I would probably be one of those "informed" Americans.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Steve53 View Post
                    There's a lot of "info" supporting evolution too. Doesn't make it any more valid.
                    Same can be said of heliocentric model. I'll take what God says about the matter, thank you.

                    Job 26:7 - He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
                    1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
                    Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."
                    Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
                    Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."
                    Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."

                    Sorry, Gods Word says the Earth aint moving. And just for the record, the Tychonian model was never refuted, only discarded for the more evolution friendly heliocenric model.

                    Joshua 10:
                    12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; And thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
                    13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, Until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, And shasted not to go down about a whole day.
                    14 And there was not a day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.

                    It doesn't say the EARTH STOPPED SPINNING! Can you imagine what the oceans would have done were the earth to suddenly stop then restart? Can you say SLOSH? Get your theology straight people. I could care less what atheist science rambles on about, let God be true, but every man a liar - Romans 3:4

                    Why is Polaris always dead center up north if our axis is tilted? Where are the 1056 mph winds if the earth is spinning so fast??? Don't even start by telling me the spinning earth drags the atmosphere along with it, 'cause I don't buy it. I don't see any giant fan blades growing out of the ground to help out with this. If the earth was spinning that fast there should be F6 tornado speed winds, 24 hours a day, along the equator, F5 everywhere else. The weather was pretty nice where I live, today. Just a nice gently north western breese. Don't know about the ol' USA. I did hear things are a bit uncomfortable over there these days.

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                    • #25
                      Why is Polaris always dead center up north if our axis is tilted? Where are the 1056 mph winds if the earth is spinning so fast??? Don't even start by telling me the spinning earth drags the atmosphere along with it, 'cause I don't buy it. I don't see any giant fan blades growing out of the ground to help out with this. If the earth was spinning that fast there should be F6 tornado speed winds, 24 hours a day, along the equator, F5 everywhere else. The weather was pretty nice where I live, today. Just a nice gently north western breese. Don't know about the ol' USA. I did hear things are a bit uncomfortable over there these days.
                      Did you read my post about Foucault's pendulum? A large enough pendulum that is allowed to rotate freely will eventually make a full revolution. If placed directly on one of the geographic poles it will complete a full rotation in 24 hours. The only way this can happen is if the earth is rotating beneath the pendulum. How else could it occur?

                      The heliocentric model was developed as early as the 16th century by Copernicus; Darwin's On The Origins of Species wasn't published until 1859. Heliocentrism was created as man started to understand more about the universe; it had nothing to do with evolution.

                      As for weather patterns, the rotation of the earth does have an effect on weather patterns; it's called the Coriolis effect.

                      Here's some information about why Polaris is the north star: http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...uestion64.html Polaris just happens to be the star that Earth's axis is pointing directly at right now. According to that site, in 3,000 BC the north star was Thuban; in about 13,000 years Vega will be the north star.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                        Anyway, the earth most certainly rotates and revolves around the sun. One way we can tell this is because of a device called a Foucault pendulum.
                        Foucault's pendulum demonstrates the existence of unresolved forces at the surface of the earth, nothing else. What those forces are is yet to be discovered. Anyone can slap on a reason and call it scientific fact.

                        Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                        Also, the heliocentric model was developed as early as the 16th century by Copernicus; Darwin's On The Origins of Species wasn't published until 1859. Heliocentrism was created as man started to understand more about the universe; it had nothing to do with evolution.
                        Exactly my point, BOTH models were available and in fact excepted at the time of Darwin. But since the Geocentric model insists that there is a God, it was discarded as anti evolution. We must remember who the ruler of this world is. Well, he want to take us to Hell.

                        After 21 years of following the Lord and growing in Him, I have come to the conclusion, that if something is "OK" and "good" and "true" with the world, it is either 99% lie or requires very close scrutinization.

                        Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post

                        As for weather patterns, the rotation of the earth does have an effect on weather patterns; it's called the Coriolis effect.
                        Aam, I wasn't talking about "weather patterns" I was talking about 1055 mph winds. You know, the kind that can level cities, not to mention ever letting them be built. That's one thousand fifty five mile-per-hour winds, the speed of earths supposed rotation. Where are they? A gas will not take up the speed of a flat solid moving underneath it. Try it at home. The atmosphere is not connected to the surface of the earth. The earth surface is over 70% FLAT water. Explain how it revolves with the earth to spare us from those very high winds.

                        Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                        Here's some information about why Polaris is the north star: http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/...uestion64.html Polaris just happens to be the star that Earth's axis is pointing directly at right now. According to that site, in 3,000 BC the north star was Thuban; in about 13,000 years Vega will be the north star.
                        I say the firmament containing the stars is on an axis. Same observation.

                        Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                        Also consider the size of the universe. It's 150,000,000 km from here to the sun and that's a verifiable fact.
                        Really? How did they measure it? Wait, don't tell me, using the orbit of the earth and it's parallax?
                        The same way they measured those stars that are billions and billions and billions of lightyears away?
                        All these huge numbers sound strangly familiar. Where have I heard them before?

                        I say, just as with the age of the Earth, the universe is actually a puniverse with not such big numbers.
                        All of a sudden, it's not so hard to comprehend everything revolving around the earth anymore.

                        Is it?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Petezzzz
                          it's not so hard to comprehend everything revolving around the earth anymore.

                          Is it?
                          But the earth does spin and revolves around the sun, we are not geocentric here no matter how many nutty websites prove otherwise.



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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                            If the sun rotated around the earth, that would give it a frequency of 1/86,400 (because there are 86,400 seconds in a day and the sun would make one revolution per day), which is 1.1574 * 10^-5 Hertz. Multiplying that by the sun's distance in kilometers gives a tangential velocity of 1,736 km/s, 6,249,600 km/h. The earth only rotates around the sun at around 100,000 km/h. How could the sun be orbiting the earth at such a velocity? The closest star besides the sun is Proxima Centauri, which is 4.22 light years away, or 3.99*10^13 kilometers. If it rotated around the earth it too would rotate with a frequency of 1/86,400 Hz. This would give it a tangential velocity of 4.62*10^8 km/s or 1.66*10^12 km/h.
                            Tangenal smangenel, if the earth is spinning at over 1055 miles per hour, HOW COME I CAN'T FEEL IT? Do you realise how fast that is? For reference, A .308 bullet travels at 1838 miles per hour.

                            BTW, your measurements are based on the assumption that the heliocentric theory is fact. It is still very much just a theory.

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                            • #29
                              Foucault's pendulum demonstrates the existence of unresolved forces at the surface of the earth, nothing else. What those forces are is yet to be discovered. Anyone can slap on a reason and call it scientific fact.
                              Newtonian mechanics are very well-understood (and with relativity they became a bit outdated, although they work as long as you're not approaching the speed of light). The only forces acting upon the surface of the earth that I can think of are the force due to gravity and the force due to the 30 km or so of air that makes up our atmosphere. There must be a centripetal force too because the earth is spinning on its axis and rotating around the sun but rotational motion confuses a bit more than linear motion does. Regardless, there are no mysterious forces acting upon the surface of the earth. Foucault's pendulum only works because the earth is spinning beneath the pendulum.

                              Exactly my point, BOTH models were available and in fact excepted at the time of Darwin. But since the Geocentric model insists that there is a God, it was discarded as anti evolution.
                              The geocentric model was discarded long before Darwin and not because heliocentrists are anti-God. Also, the geocentric model has nothing to do with God. Before Copernicus people assumed that the earth was the center of the universe because it appeared that everything in space moved around us. And to be fair to ancient peoples, this is an expected belief. If you and I lived a thousand years ago we too would think that the earth were stationary and that the heavens moved around us because that is what it indeed looks like (I mean, we even still say that the sun "rises" and "sets"). Geocentrism was the dominant theory because it's the best we could come up with. You can still live in a heliocentric world and believe in God. God's existence isn't restricted by having the sun be at the center of our solar system.

                              After 21 years of following the Lord and growing in Him, I have come to the conclusion, that if something is "OK" and "good" and "true" with the world, it is either 99% lie or requires very close scrutinization.
                              Science is one of those things that can be used for good and evil. It is a tool, much like a hammer. Hammers can be used to build houses or to destroy them (and even the destruction of a house is sometimes good). A heliocentric solar system is just a fact. People didn't make it up to try to disprove God (Copernicus was a Catholic; I think Newton might have even been a believer). Yes, there are certain areas of "science" that are dubious at best (evolution, climate change, etc.) Physics is not one of those sciences. You can work out the math and indeed prove, as Isaac Newton did, that an object at rest tends to stay at rest. You can prove that all frames of reference are equally valid. You can prove that mass and energy are indeed the same. You can measure the speed of light. Just because a non-believing world believes something that's true doesn't make it bad or any less true. Non-believers believe that 2+2=4; should we doubt that 2+2=4?

                              Explain how it revolves with the earth.
                              For the same reason that everything else does: inertia. An object at rest tends to stay at rest; an object in motion tends to stay in motion. The earth moves, relative to the sun, at about 62,000 miles per hour, which means that everything on the earth is moving, relative to the sun, at 62,000 miles per hour (including the atmosphere). Acceleration is what takes energy. To get a satellite to move through space at a certain velocity you just have to accelerate it to that velocity. Once at a certain velocity it will maintain that velocity for a good chunk of time (there needs to be occasional thrust to correct for gravity and keep the satellite actually in space). If the earth were to suddenly stop moving then there would be destructive winds (because the earth has stopped moving but the air has not (and for that matter everything else not very well-anchored into the ground)).

                              I'm also curious about the tangential velocity of objects that are millions of light years away. To rotate around us they would have to violate relativity, which we're 99.999999% sure can't be done (at least outside of a black hole or some other such strange structure). How do you explain that? If an object 100,000,000 light years away is to rotate around us, how could it possibly cover all of that distance in one 24-hour period and not be moving at a velocity that is magnitudes greater than the speed of light?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Buzzardhut View Post
                                But the earth does spin and revolves around the sun, we are not geocentric here no matter how many nutty websites prove otherwise.
                                Nice to see you speaking for everyone here, Buzz.

                                Tell that to the first century apostles. I'm sure they got the same flap, when they claimed Jesus rose from the dead. You know, Jesus the Son of God. He didn't come to some insignificant speck of dust in some insignificant corner of an insignificant galaxy. He came to Gods Footstool. The very center of the Universe.

                                But anyway, I didn't post this stuff to debate about it. My mind's already made up. I just wanted to throw a monkeywrench into the complacency I'm noticing around here lately.

                                ToodaLoo.

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