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    For a long time I've assumed that we were far away from the Gog Magog invasion of Israel. Several reasons for this--I believe the rapture comes first, I believe some sort of event-- war or treaty--would lead Israel to let her defences down. I believe that America still will back Israel as opposed to them standing alone. I don't think Russia and Iran etal would do anything that agressive while America is still a power--but one of the big ones has been that Israel is supposed to be living in safety and be unsuspecting and the attackers are thinking, " I will invade a land of unwalled villages"........

    With the recent cyber attacks against Israel and their reliance on a "defence shield" or an electronic and computerized "wall" instead of actual physical walls-- I was wondering if maybe Israel will be unsuspecting and "without walls" after a major cyber attack eliminates their ability to militarily retaliate.

    I mean also, if Israel had nukes and weapons to fight off their attackers then it would not make them all finally turn to God and accept Christ. But after God personally saves them from certain destruction- then Israel and the nations will recognize the true God of Israel.....just a thought..

    Anyone else think that Israel being "unwalled" may be the result of a cyber-attack?

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    Originally posted by jackson64 View Post
    For a long time I've assumed that we were far away from the Gog Magog invasion of Israel. Several reasons for this--I believe the rapture comes first, I believe some sort of event-- war or treaty--would lead Israel to let her defences down. I believe that America still will back Israel as opposed to them standing alone. I don't think Russia and Iran etal would do anything that agressive while America is still a power--but one of the big ones has been that Israel is supposed to be living in safety and be unsuspecting and the attackers are thinking, " I will invade a land of unwalled villages"........

    With the recent cyber attacks against Israel and their reliance on a "defence shield" or an electronic and computerized "wall" instead of actual physical walls-- I was wondering if maybe Israel will be unsuspecting and "without walls" after a major cyber attack eliminates their ability to militarily retaliate.

    I mean also, if Israel had nukes and weapons to fight off their attackers then it would not make them all finally turn to God and accept Christ. But after God personally saves them from certain destruction- then Israel and the nations will recognize the true God of Israel.....just a thought..

    Anyone else think that Israel being "unwalled" may be the result of a cyber-attack?



    That's an interesting thought, but if they had just been subject to a cyber-attack that brought down virtual walls, I don't think they could be classified as "peaceful and unsuspecting". Ezekiel 38:8 says "a land that has recovered from war".

    What if Israel were victorious through a pre-emptive strike on Iran, and no longer felt a threat and became "betach", the Hebrew word translated "safety", that can also be translated as "careless", as in feeling so safe they let their guard down? I'm getting this notion from here: http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hama...lled-villages/

    So I think your first inclination, war or treaty, which would also fit with Ezek 38:8, recovered from war.

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    • #3
      I agree with pixel, the prophecy is supported by other than the word "walls".

      But I also think the warfare has definitely also gone cyber as well (Stuxnet, hacking, etc.).
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      • #4
        the unwalled part is refering to the EZ 38 war. If Ps 83 and Is 17 happen first then that just might lull them into this false security. They could see their immediate enemys dead or no longer a threat and decide that nobody else would be foolish enough to attack them.
        For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Cor 1:18

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jlutz View Post
          the unwalled part is refering to the EZ 38 war. If Ps 83 and Is 17 happen first then that just might lull them into this false security. They could see their immediate enemys dead or no longer a threat and decide that nobody else would be foolish enough to attack them.
          I agree....

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          • #6
            No,

            but Israel may gain such confidence in their cyber shield (following a brief battle with Syria/Egypt) that they become lax and
            vunerable to a cyber atttack that leaves them defenseless before Russia/Turkey/Persia....


            and only God can rescue them.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by IamPJ View Post
              I agree....
              I agree the 'unwalled villages' is referring to EZ 38-39. However, I have wondered if the unwalled villages could be the tent cities that have been set up for the many, many Jews that are returning to Israel, and there are not yet enough apartments (hence the building of settlements) for them.
              Ph 3:15 (paraphrased):...And if on some point you and I think differently, that too God will make clear to us. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by carol1948 View Post
                I agree the 'unwalled villages' is referring to EZ 38-39. However, I have wondered if the unwalled villages could be the tent cities that have been set up for the many, many Jews that are returning to Israel, and there are not yet enough apartments (hence the building of settlements) for them.

                oF COURSE IT REFERS TO eZ 38 AND 39--THAT'S WHERE i TOOK THE BIBLE VERSE FROM. i MUST NOT HAVE EXPLAINED MY THINKING WELL...OOPS, sorry for the caps lock, the granddaughter loves to poke the keyboard when she's on my lap. Anyhow..the other parts about feeling secure and so forth could be because of the security walls and defence shield--once a cyber attack ( unwalled villages) and the attack of Ez38 and 39 could occur almost immediately after or simultaneously..this would certainly be, " an unsuspecting people" and people without walls...just a thought.

                I certaintly don't think that there will be physical walls surrounding Israel--maybe they mean the fences/walls seperating Gaza, the Golan Heights, West Bank, Southern Lebanon?...anyhow, Israel I'm sure will be feeling a lot more secure if they take out Iran's nuke facilities..maybe then they will feel more at peace and unsuspecting?

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                • #9
                  The Psalm 83 war ending with Isaiah 17 will most likely leave ISRAEL a much larger country, but also much weaker having used up much of their weapons and loosing many people. I also see an Obama administration unwilling to resupply them.
                  The countries that surround ISRAEL that are mentioned in Psalm 83 are not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and I just do not think the Palestinians would not join Persia and Russia in attack on ISRAEL.
                  I have always wondered why they are riding horses and not driving trucks in Ezekiel 38, could be computers are not working.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joseph The Carpenter View Post
                    The Psalm 83 war ending with Isaiah 17 will most likely leave ISRAEL a much larger country, but also much weaker having used up much of their weapons and loosing many people. I also see an Obama administration unwilling to resupply them.
                    The countries that surround ISRAEL that are mentioned in Psalm 83 are not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and I just do not think the Palestinians would not join Persia and Russia in attack on ISRAEL.
                    I have always wondered why they are riding horses and not driving trucks in Ezekiel 38, could be computers are not working.
                    I know some don't take "horses" literally, but it says blood up to the bridle - of trucks?

                    Makes sense to me also that if Israel's enemies have so far been afraid of her vastly superior weaponry and military might, if the power is somehow cut off, they might take advantage of her small size against their vastly more numerous manpower in attempt to gain control of her "spoils". But for sure either.
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                    • #11
                      I've wondered about the horses, too. How many horses is the scripture talking about? Where will they all come from??
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                      • #12
                        Unwalled villages, there are no walled villages or towns or big cities in Israel now. They are living in unwalled villages as we speak.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by iSong6:3 View Post
                          I know some don't take "horses" literally, but it says blood up to the bridle - of trucks?
                          Maybe Ezekiel had never seen a truck, so he could not say blood up to the fuel tanks or the top of the wheels either.
                          But I guess Russia and Turkey do have horse soldiers but I don't know how many, and Wiki is closed.

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                          • #14
                            As for Wiki being down - even Google is protesting.....

                            Freedom of the Press. It has its good and bad points, but the law being considored needs to be much more forgiving of entities who link to sites in good faith.

                            And if a linked site then changes its own paths, what was legal suddenly becomes illegal without notice. I believe it totaly trumps "fair use", parody, and other legal uses.

                            Copyright is something to be protected. China flouts it regularly. But sometimes we go too far.


                            It is interesting that this is happening, we may see the early attempts at harnessing and manipulating the internet.


                            As for horses, there are plenty out there. Remember trucks need to run on "Refined" oil. - gas, diesel....

                            Wars will target such places and quickly shut down the ability to make gas. Armies will need alternate modes of transport.

                            And 7 years of tribulation distruction will likely make horses and bicycles very valuable commodities. Horses even more so - if you can still feed them.
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                            • #15
                              I am increasingly convinced we should take the horses literally. One major earthquake or a nuclear war (Isaiah 17, Psalm 83 perhaps) could well make Israel inaccessible by conventional methods. - A primarily inaccessible Israel would certainly feel safe and secure wouldn't she. - Horses, pack animals would be ideal.

                              And who knows what will occur to make the use of oil prohibitive.

                              It seems to me that we cannot even imagine what lies ahead. The Arab Spring proves that. It wasn't on anyone's event horizon a couple of years ago.

                              One last note, I remember my former pastor once mentioned that Russia had an enormous horse population. I can't find a source for the comment but maybe someone else can locate the info.

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