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  • Originally posted by Reason&Hope View Post
    Maybe I'm still speaking out of raw emotion, but I DID trust God. I DID trust Him to turn the hearts of the people. I DID trust God to listen to the millions of Christians praying for this nation, repenting, seeking Him . . . and this was the result: 4 years of punishment with an evil man in charge of the country.
    It is easy to look at the natural realm and be discouraged; I too, am dissappointed (though not surprised) by the outcome. My husband and I had been praying over this election, like many others we knew. But I don't see this as God's punishment of us, His children. Just as God gave Israel, in Saul, a king the people themselves wanted (but one who was not God's choice, nor a good leader, as it turned out), I think God gave this nation the kind of leader it wanted: one who would let them pursue their sin unrestrained. People seem so calloused to the things of God right now.

    Also, in a way, even though it seems so bleak, this election may have turned out for the ultimate good for many: if Romney had won, people, including many Christians, would continue to look toward the political process or government leaders as our hope. And our hope should be in Jesus Christ alone. If having Obama another four years -- with all the bad policies he will create and enforce -- wakes the nominal Christians (and those who are Christians-in-Name-Only) out of their slumber and causes them to walk more tightly with Jesus, or if it causes those who put their trust in this world to come to Christ and trust in Him for salvation FROM this world and their own sin, then I suppose that this "defeat" is actually a victory.

    Like it or not, the true church has always thrived in the face of persecution and difficult times. I am praying that before things get that difficult that Jesus returns (and I, too, believe that Obama is the man who must be in place to move the US in the direction for fulfillment of Bible prophecy).

    Praying for all of us for the Lord's strength to endure to the end, that we may stand before Him, and for boldness and opportunities to share the gospel with others.

    Blessings,

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    • Originally posted by TimothyK View Post
      God is sovereign. God already knew what we would decide, but a choice in this we had. The people have decided who they want to lead them. They will have him.

      As for us, we voted against this. If this is the beginning of the end for America, we are on record for standing with freedom and voting for the love of our country as we knew it.

      But we have always belonged to God, those of us who are born again in Jesus Christ. We are sojourners in a strange land, and our compatriots and associates have decided on a course far different from our own. They will have it. So be it.

      We don't belong to this world and come what will of this, we remain children of the Most High God, and our home is where He is. I can accept whatever will come because Christ my King, my Lord, and my God is my keeper and my rock.

      I will not be moved. I will subsist in some way or else I am soon to be home. Both bring God glory and the later is far better for me!

      I will abound regardless either in blessing should this beloved nation of ours come back again, or begin a final descent into nihility, Christ is my Lord and my God.

      I will abound and give thanks in times of luxury and plenty, I will abound and find joy in Christ through the lonesome valley and the ends of ruin and death because He is with me and I belong to Him. Suffering or graves or powers cannot keep me from Him.

      Whether I live or die, whether I suffer for sin or abound in comfort, all these things are common to this world.

      Comfort and blessing and luxury and rest come from the great kindness of God, and sin and ruin come for reason of men and devils and we can blame no one but they who are responsible.

      In this instance, I can rest easy knowing it's not me this time in this particular instance!

      I and so many of us were patriots, but so many more were fools and eager for slavery and ruin. Rest easy brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, especially our fellowship here, so many of you are not counted among these.

      Take heart for our King's Kingdom, it is soon, He loves you dearly, and you have an honored place at His table as one of His dear children. Remember, God was exceedingly faithful and kind to those who loved Him even when Israel was taken into captivity.
      God bless you, Tim! BEAUTIFULLY SAID! Now I'm wiping the tears.. AMEN!
      Now when these things begin to take place, look up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near Luke21:28




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      • Of course this is terrible news for our nation, but we know we worked hard and we voted. We didn't sit idly by and allow this to happen. We tried. I know a conservative libertarian man from NJ that I spoke with before Sandy, who said he was 47 and had never voted in his life but was registering to vote for Romney. Of course now he and his family are without electricity (they have housing but life is tuff and supplies have been hard to come by). He told me today that he went out and voted in that disaster zone, knowing Romney didn't have a chance to win NJ anyhow, to vote for the first time in his life just because it was the right thing to do. People like this across the nation got up, went out and voted, including me. Not so in 08.

        Sometimes the things we hope and plan for just do not fit God's plans, but we never lose hope when our hope is in Jesus. I hoped and prayed that Romney would win this election and return our nation to some semblance of sanity, but I also prayed God's will be done. So, I'm disappointed and I don't completely understand (I never do) but I know that we can trust God no matter the situation.

        I think this election confirms what we see in prophecy and feel in our bones to be soon, but say the Lord tarries and we survive the next 4 years to find ourselves here again on election night. It will look very different. I'm not sure I can call it a bright side because I know it will be anything but bright, but 4 years from now Obama will have no choice but own his actions, policies and the consequences thereof. There will be no more benefit of the doubt and blaming Bush. He may not be able to run again, but don't doubt for a second that the Democratic party will suffer for this for a long time to come. If we don't survive it to see this or if the Lord doesn't tarry, then we are home with the Lord anyhow and these worries will be far from us. I'm praying for the latter, as always.

        Thanks for all the comforting posts throughout this long day. Can't wait to meet you all!
        Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. ~ Matthew 6:19-21 ~

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        • Originally posted by Little Bug View Post
          I understand both of you dears. I have been thinking that they (those who are so blind to these progressives) know not what they do or have done! I don't know whether I will get much sleep tonight...still hurting here. I haven't gotten all of the results, but it looks like MN voters said it is okay for same sex marriage AND also that we won't need any form of voter I.D. This world is sooo upside down! BUT, I really love what WVBORN said on his post above.... Not to despair -- that this is a perfect fit in the tribulation timetable (my words--I can't remember WV's exact words). We need to continue to pray, watch, and look up! As I began to come out of my state of shock, I realized that as hard as all of this is, it WILL be okay. God knows the beginning and the end. He is the Alpha and Omega. It won't be much longer until we will all be gathered in His arms! And yes, Carla, may God have mercy on this fading country!
          I feel numb right now. I was still processing this horrific national result, when I read the results of our amendments. Minnesota, what have you done?

          Please, Lord, have mercy on us!

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          • Originally posted by Reason&Hope View Post
            Maybe I'm still speaking out of raw emotion, but I DID trust God. I DID trust Him to turn the hearts of the people. I DID trust God to listen to the millions of Christians praying for this nation, repenting, seeking Him . . . and this was the result: 4 years of punishment with an evil man in charge of the country.
            Ah, but 2 Chronicles 7:14 was not written as a promise for worldwide Christians to *claim*. It was for the only covenant nation under God - Israel. We have a sticky on this subject and several threads and many, many posts here in an effort to correct the false teaching of this verse and avoid hurt of our brethren.

            I'm sorry your heart is a casualty of bad theology here but God is not beholden to us to force righteousness and blessing and exaltation upon every nation that has believers praying and humbling themselves in it. Things don't work like that. We are late in the day now. Let's learn to find our security and comfort and righteousness in the shelter of His wings and not in our government. Most Christians in history have not had the blessings we Americans have had, however long it lasted.

            The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the Name of the Lord.
            "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


            Jesus + something = nothing

            Jesus + nothing = Everything

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            • Originally posted by Abba'sChild View Post
              It is easy to look at the natural realm and be discouraged; I too, am dissappointed (though not surprised) by the outcome. My husband and I had been praying over this election, like many others we knew. But I don't see this as God's punishment of us, His children. Just as God gave Israel, in Saul, a king the people themselves wanted (but one who was not God's choice, nor a good leader, as it turned out), I think God gave this nation the kind of leader it wanted: one who would let them pursue their sin unrestrained. People seem so calloused to the things of God right now.

              Also, in a way, even though it seems so bleak, this election may have turned out for the ultimate good for many: if Romney had won, people, including many Christians, would continue to look toward the political process or government leaders as our hope. And our hope should be in Jesus Christ alone. If having Obama another four years -- with all the bad policies he will create and enforce -- wakes the nominal Christians (and those who are Christians-in-Name-Only) out of their slumber and causes them to walk more tightly with Jesus, or if it causes those who put their trust in this world to come to Christ and trust in Him for salvation FROM this world and their own sin, then I suppose that this "defeat" is actually a victory.

              Like it or not, the true church has always thrived in the face of persecution and difficult times. I am praying that before things get that difficult that Jesus returns (and I, too, believe that Obama is the man who must be in place to move the US in the direction for fulfillment of Bible prophecy).

              Praying for all of us for the Lord's strength to endure to the end, that we may stand before Him, and for boldness and opportunities to share the gospel with others.

              Blessings,
              These have been my thoughts (after the aftershock or fog had been removed from me.). You put it into words for me, Abba'sChild. It may very well turn out as ultimate good for many. Thank you!
              Now when these things begin to take place, look up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near Luke21:28




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              • Originally posted by Carrie Grace View Post
                I feel numb right now. I was still processing this horrific national result, when I read the results of our amendments. Minnesota, what have you done?

                Please, Lord, have mercy on us!

                so sad for your state's results~ :**( these days RIGHT is WRONG and wrong is RIGHT. it's just unbelievable sometimes.... most of my anger these days is righteous anger.

                anger because people jaywalk in the middle of the road and don't look up with their i-phone
                anger because people sue others to take advantage
                anger because illegals walk over the border and demand rights that our ancestors worked hard for
                anger because the entire country wants to approve marriage b/w a man and man and woman and woman
                anger because people in general do the wrong and are praised and US that wants the right upheld are laughed at and rebuked.

                i'm really tired of living in this world and i'm in one of the worst places (los angeles, CA). but i still can't BELIEVE actually (in a good way) that we haven't voted in gay marriage yet even though the liberal judges want to overturn that prop we passed. so discouraging at times! and it's so hard to curb that anger....

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                • Originally posted by ThePenguin View Post
                  A lot of these people seem to be powerfully deceived. No amount of reasoning with them (they refuse to use it) could make them understand that it's better to be free and self-sufficient than a slave and reliant on government. "What? Work for a living? Why would I do that when I can just get stuff for free?" That mindset is dangerous and antithetical to conservative values. It's like trying to convince a child that they need a booster shot. Of course the child's going to refuse the shot! It hurts and doesn't seem to do anything, even though it's a good thing. The moochers and looters are children and they need a large, intramuscular dose of freedom. We tried to give them one tonight but they threw a fit and rejected it. It's a catch-22: you need votes from people on welfare but how do you get it by stating that you're going to reduce welfare? It can't be done.
                  Well, like it or not, that problem may soon be solved the hard way, when the economic house of cards starts collapsing all around. Even the US of A can only afford to run trillion dollar deficits for so long before things go downhill - think double digit inflation.

                  Then maybe, some folks will wonder why their welfare checks don't buy much stuff anymore. And then maybe they will listen, if the party reaches out to them, with the right message.

                  Point is, half the country is still just as American as the other half. Often the divide is right between families and generations, not just races and regions. This is a battle for hearts and minds, and you have to study the other side's tactics and weaknesses.

                  Some of the comments I'm reading here have not doubt been posted out of frustration and disappointment, but they are starting to sound similar to the way the east and west coast elites casually dismiss the "flyover states" with their "backward rednecks". Let's be better people than them.

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                  • Ephesians 6:10-20

                    10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

                    18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

                    Lord forgive me for not praying and believing as I should. May the results of this election help us to see the importance of turning our hearts and minds, our ears and our eyes towards You so that we may feel and know Your presence and hear and see You at work in these last days. And help us to do all that we can to stand for the truth even while darkness covers our planet and gross darkness the people.
                    The Gospel of Jesus Christ

                    "I am more flawed and sinful than I ever dared believe."

                    "I am more loved and accepted than I ever dared hope."

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                    • Originally posted by SumSam View Post
                      Some of the comments I'm reading here have not doubt been posted out of frustration and disappointment, but they are starting to sound similar to the way the east and west coast elites casually dismiss the "flyover states" with their "backward rednecks". Let's be better people than them.

                      i disagree.... none of the comments i've read sound like backward rednecks....

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                      • I hope it's okay to post this. . I haven't read it, but thought it may help. It's titled "Suffering, Adversity, Depression, You Name It: The Romans 8:28 Rx Solution for Christians (and Non-Christians)"
                        By: Dr. John G. Weldon; ©2012
                        You say, "How in the world could sin work together for good? How can God cause sinful things to come out for good?"


                        http://jashow.org/wiki/index.php?tit...on-Christians)
                        Now when these things begin to take place, look up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near Luke21:28




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                        • I agree, not redneck. Just Christians not willing to be lead to the lions.

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                          • Originally posted by tardisdoctor View Post
                            Ephesians 6:10-20

                            10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devilís schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

                            18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lordís people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

                            AMEN!

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                            • Originally posted by iSong6:3 View Post
                              Ah, but 2 Chronicles 7:14 was not written as a promise for worldwide Christians to *claim*. It was for the only covenant nation under God - Israel. We have a sticky on this subject and several threads and many, many posts here in an effort to correct the false teaching of this verse and avoid hurt of our brethren.

                              I'm sorry your heart is a casualty of bad theology here but God is not beholden to us to force righteousness and blessing and exaltation upon every nation that has believers praying and humbling themselves in it. Things don't work like that. We are late in the day now. Let's learn to find our security and comfort and righteousness in the shelter of His wings and not in our government. Most Christians in history have not had the blessings we Americans have had, however long it lasted.

                              The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the Name of the Lord.
                              The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the Name of the Lord
                              Amen
                              Psalm 30:11-12 (New King James Version)

                              11 You have turned for me my mourning into dancing;
                              You have put off my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness,
                              12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to You and not be silent.
                              O LORD my God, I will give thanks to You forever.



                              Pre-Flood!
                              Thanks for the citizen title Hoot!

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                              • Originally posted by treasures View Post

                                Sometimes the things we hope and plan for just do not fit God's plans, but we never lose hope when our hope is in Jesus. I hoped and prayed that Romney would win this election and return our nation to some semblance of sanity, but I also prayed God's will be done. So, I'm disappointed and I don't completely understand (I never do) but I know that we can trust God no matter the situation.
                                Amen. Most of us are in shock right now, we had pundits tell us things would go *our way* and they didn't. I also prayed for a Romney victory "but nevertheless not my will but Yours be done." So really, our prayers were answered.

                                Let's hold tight to Jesus tonight, folks. He knows our hurts and even fears, even anger. Confess all that to Him as we lay our dream back on the altar and trust Him, just trust Him. We will see His better purpose soon enough.
                                "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                                Jesus + something = nothing

                                Jesus + nothing = Everything

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