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  • #31
    I am honestly shocked at the extreme reactions going on here towards Obama. I totally agree about abortion being evil but being a socialist doesn't make him evil!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Musician in His house View Post
      This. Except I'm not sure about what, if any, faith he holds. It may be that he is whatever it is most expedient for him to be at any particular time. For instance, he has been "seen" going to church around D.C. in recent weeks, but then it IS an election year and this is common sometimes among candidates who otherwise might hardly ever darken a church door. He was raised Muslim, and as I understand it, there is a policy allowing a Musim to lie and mislead Allah's enemies in order to further the cause of Islam. It could be construed that this is why he sometimes refers to Jesus, goes to church, doesn't seem to adhere to Muslim prohibitions against drink or certain foods. Of course, he could just be not totally observant of Islam. I do know one thing: in the Islamic faith, when one is born of a Muslim father, one is considered to be Muslim himself, therefore it is likely that Muslims see Obama as one of themselves. If he is at all Christian, then he ascribes to the Black Liberation Theology Christianity which believes in collective salvation. Of course, none of us really knows his heart, but the fruit he has been bearing has certainly not been Christian so far.

      I was leery of Obama from before the election. There was just too much that was unknown, and too much that was not allowed to be known. Then, the public Oath of Office was flubbed, so they held a private one with no press invited, if I recall correctly. They made much of the fact that he was going to be sworn in publicly on the same Bible as Lincoln, but I don't remember what book they used for the private one. I don't even know if they said, so it could have been a Bible, it could have been a Koran, it could have been anything, or nothing. The fact that they held the second swearing-in privately never did set well with me.

      I think it's possible that he is a narcissist. More than one article has been written about this possibility.

      There is far too much mystery still surrounding this man. Some say he's incompetent, others say he's crafty. Some say he's a puppet, others say he's a master manipulator. As for me, I'm still not sure. I don't know what goes through his mind or what he's like in private. He can put on a good face and say the right things, but that is all just rhetoric.

      I think he's stepped in it with his denial of the Keystone pipeline. That would have meant thousands of jobs for the very unions that backed him in the last election, and he denied it to appease the "greenies."

      What really alarms me is his continued flaunting of the Constitution, most recently in the so-called "recess" appointments that he made when Congress was not technically in recess. The more alarming thing is that no one on the Hill, Republican or Democrat, seems to be really doing anything about his running roughshod over our laws. The same goes for the head of the Dept. of Justice, Eric Holder, who not only has not pursued the Black Panther voter intimidation but who also seems to be involved up to his eyebrows in the "Fast and Furious" gunrunning debacle.

      There's always been something very "Manchurian Candidate" about Obama.
      This is a very balanced outlook and one that speaks to me rather than some of the real extreme angry and hate-filled stuff that has been appearing. But I have always thought there were too many inconsistancies and mysteries surrounding him and his background. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Gideon300 View Post
        He isn't evil you say? May I ask, are you a Christian, how did you come to know Christ?

        Abortion and the promotion of it is evil, but Obama goes a step further, he said it should be legal for a doctor to kill a baby as it is being forcefully induced months before a baby should be born. That is not even abortion, that is infanticide. Regardless, both are evil and disgusting. There is a nurse who testified in front of Obama about finding a baby in a hospital closets trashcan after this procedure and the baby was still breathing. Obama's response was the mom should be allowed to make that choice.

        Obama is advancing the sinful homosexual lifestyle every chance he gets.

        Obama has turned his back on Israel, God's chosen people, by stating they should return to their pre-1967 borders(that means giving up Jerusalem). This is a death sentence for Israel, and he knows that.

        "he does seem moral" There is nothing moral about this man. He lies without blinking to the American people constantly. He has stated his hate for our constitution and breaks our laws when he sees fit.

        He's not moral, his father is Satan.


        Gideon, you ask if I'm a Christian, just because I suggest Obama might not be as evil as you say! I'm truly shocked at this! Fair enough from what you say Obama does seem bad but I was only asking what you think and questioning. Why would you assume I'm not a Christian? I also think the political correctness of socialism is evil but, at it's heart, socialism is about equality and is not bad!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Alison View Post
          I am honestly shocked at the extreme reactions going on here towards Obama. I totally agree about abortion being evil but being a socialist doesn't make him evil!
          Hi, Alison. Here is a thread you might find interesting.. http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?1721...86#post2201386 We have discussed our President many times in the last few years and we have gone from mild reactions to extreme ones over the course of his continuing blunders and lack of leadership.. (Remember the time he and Sarkozy left their mikes on and discussed Benjamin Netanyahu??) There are more threads also... By the way, Welcome to RR!
          Please pray for my unsaved loved-ones. Time is short.

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          • #35
            socialism is about equality and is not bad!
            Socialism is not about equality, it's about taking from the rich and giving to the poor, it's about robbing the most productive minds and giving to those who do not produce. It's stated goal is equality but it's really about theft, about taking what you have and giving it to your neighbor because of some fuzzy, unnameable need that nobody can prove but that nobody wants to deny. As far as economics goes, there can't be such a thing as equality. Not everybody can be a brain surgeon or a NASA engineer or the CEO of a huge corporation. Economic inequality is not bad, it's just the way it is. We didn't have a lot of money growing up and other families did. Did/do I care? I do not because if they've worked for that money and have acquired it legally then they've earned it; nobody else has any claim to that money except the people who earned it. Your neighbor can't say, "I need someone to pay for my mortgage!" and force you to do it (and I certainly hope you wouldn't let them try to steal that money from you). But that's what socialism is. It's someone whining, "I need something!" and then everybody else is just supposed to pay for it, as if money and labor just magically appear out of nothing. This does not work.

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            • #36
              Thanks for link Grace saved. I will read it and I appreciate your graceful way of communicating. I just really want to consider him in a balanced light but I know there are obviously real reasons why he is so despised by US Christians and I myself want to be aware of what he could do (or what he is) but I dont want to just jump the gun and attack him without really knowing my stuff. Thanks

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                Thanks for link Grace saved. I will read it and I appreciate your graceful way of communicating. I just really want to consider him in a balanced light but I know there are obviously real reasons why he is so despised by US Christians and I myself want to be aware of what he could do (or what he is) but I dont want to just jump the gun and attack him without really knowing my stuff. Thanks
                Anyone who voted for him the first time around for whatever reason(s) has no excuse moving forward. His first 3 years as POTUS should be all the record anyone should ever need to justify voting against him ever holding public office again.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Steve53 View Post
                  Anyone who voted for him the first time around for whatever reason(s) has no excuse moving forward. His first 3 years as POTUS should be all the record anyone should ever need to justify voting against him ever holding public office again.
                  Please pray for my unsaved loved-ones. Time is short.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Alison View Post
                    I am honestly shocked at the extreme reactions going on here towards Obama. I totally agree about abortion being evil but being a socialist doesn't make him evil!
                    Really? Because I doubt your sincerity if you believe anyone here reacted in the extreme.

                    Originally posted by Alison View Post
                    I just really want to consider him in a balanced light
                    It's impossible to look at someone or something in a 'balanced' light when that someone or something is positively skewered and/or imbalanced.



                    No matter how you try to spin it or expound on it, this is imbalanced. So it is with the man Obama at present. Shine whatever light you'd like on it. It doesn't change the matter of fact. If you think approaching this picture in another way can somehow make it balanced, therein lies your folly. You're deluding yourself.

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                      • #41
                        His motto during his campaign came true. Hope and Change.
                        He Hoped to CHANGE the way America once was and He Did it too his Socialist Principals and Ideals.

                        And if, he gets re-elected he will in my opinion even go further in his Socialistics ways.

                        I do Not trust his faith, whatever it is..He never really has said what it is..

                        And I did trust that when he says, he is going to forever change the way america was seen around the world, he has done it. In a Bad way.

                        Obama is Not a Good Guy. Way too Many vacations and parties, yet telling us people to stay home or dont go on trips. Early on in his presidency.

                        I can not listen to him speak, he gives me chills in a bone chilling way.

                        I just read news articles of what he is up to next. Always something it seems. And never Good.

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                        • #42
                          Alison I can give you the simple difference between socialism and capitalism.
                          Jane and Alison work at the same job, Alison shows up on time does a great job and never takes a day off. Jane is late four out of five days, is texting her friends all the time and is sick once a week. In capitalism Alison gets a raise in pay and Jane gets fired. In socialism nobody gets a raise and nobody gets fired.
                          President Obama thinks America is evil and must be changed. The American debt when he took office was nine trillion today it is sixteen trillion. there is no way to pay off this debt.
                          Welcome to the board,

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Alison View Post
                            I am honestly shocked at the extreme reactions going on here towards Obama. I totally agree about abortion being evil but being a socialist doesn't make him evil!
                            Alison, please! You didn't answer my question. Are you a Christian? When did you come to know Jesus as your savior?

                            A man that supports all forms of abortion, ramming the homosexual agenda down people's throats, stepping on the law of the land blatantly because he knows no one will do anything about it doesn't make this man evil to you??? How about selling Mexican drug lords American assault rifles that ended up killing two US gov agents all for the express purpose of taking our 2nd amendment right of owning fire arms away, and then, covering it up. Does that make him evil in your eyes???

                            Jesus stated this in Matthew 12:30 - "Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me." Obama has given speeches where he covered up Jesus' name that was hanging behind his podium. Obama definitely doesn't govern by Jesus' words. If you aren't for and with Jesus you are with Satan. So, if you don't think Satan is evil, I guess that would make Obama good....

                            Isaiah 5:20
                            Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Alison View Post
                              Gideon, you ask if I'm a Christian, just because I suggest Obama might not be as evil as you say! I'm truly shocked at this! Fair enough from what you say Obama does seem bad but I was only asking what you think and questioning. Why would you assume I'm not a Christian? I also think the political correctness of socialism is evil but, at it's heart, socialism is about equality and is not bad!
                              I'm shocked that a person that says they are Christian would call a man like Obama moral.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by TimothyK View Post
                                Really? Because I doubt your sincerity if you believe anyone here reacted in the extreme.



                                It's impossible to look at someone or something in a 'balanced' light when that someone or something is positively skewered and/or imbalanced.



                                No matter how you try to spin it or expound on it, this is imbalanced. So it is with the man Obama at present. Shine whatever light you'd like on it. It doesn't change the matter of fact. If you think approaching this picture in another way can somehow make it balanced, therein lies your folly. You're deluding yourself.



                                Timothy I'm not saying Obama is balanced- just most arguments here are not. People are talking about socialist policy like it is evil and I can't understand this. I think Americans see things very differently from us. How can you possibly question my sincerity? It is because I am sincere and want to know the truth sincerely that I am asking these questions. I do n ot jusdge you personally as you do me! I am shocked that Christians behave like this!

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