Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

SBN - Son Life Broadcasting/the Swaggarts *MERGED*

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Kays View Post
    I was deeply involved in the Swaggart ministry in the '80's and
    visited the church many times. In fact, the teaching was what
    spurred me to leave the Catholic church.

    I believe the foundation of their teaching is Biblical.

    Of course, I was disappointed when the scandal broke.

    I can only say the teaching and outreach as far as I've heard
    so far is biblical but however, it does seem from time to time,
    Jimmy Swaggart himself still seems to be justifying
    in a veiled sort of way, his own past sins. He constantly preaches
    about failing, about this human struggle, etc. etc. I t seems
    as if he himself hasn't accepted the fact that God forgives
    and forgets. Man cannot always forgives, rarely forgets.
    As is evidenced here.

    Almost 30 years is a very long time to hold someone's sins against them.
    As a Christian, I would not do that. I hope others don't either. God doesn't to us.
    .




    I am typing on a tiny iouch and hope this works... I'd just like to contribute to the discussion by saying that this issue is not about forgiveness. Jesus is all about redemption! But the issue here is that teachers are held to a very high standard, and when trust has been broken so completely, credibility is sometimes irrevocably broken too. A humble repentant believer never insists on remaining in leadership in my opinion.

    Comment


    • Jimmy Swaggarts bible study on Sonlife tv

      http://sonlifetv.com/

      I stumbled across it and I have to say I am enjoying the bible study he's doing on Daniel.

      Anyone else watching it or giving Jimmy another chance?
      The dogs are barking, someone is knocking on the door...

      Please pray for Lindsey's salvation

      Comment


      • Actually, I didn't stumble across his program, it was advertised on Fox News.

        I believe after the Daniel study, he is going to do Ezekiel.

        It's not just Jimmy's interpretation - he has a panel of men studying with him.
        The dogs are barking, someone is knocking on the door...

        Please pray for Lindsey's salvation

        Comment


        • Here's an old RR thread that discusses Jimmy Swaggart Ministries.

          http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?1635...light=Swaggart

          People have varying opinions on him but the thing I find most troubling is his refusal to step down from the pulpit in obedience to his {Assemblies of God} church's authority for discipline, guidance, and restoration to the ministry after his very public and humiliating fall from grace. Swaggart was caught with a prostitute twice, in 1988 and 1991. Although he went on TV, wept, and admitted he had sinned against God, he told people God wanted him to remain in leadership. When he was caught with a prostitute again in 1995 {this time with pornography in his car} he angrily told his concerned congregation "God told me it's flat none of your business!"

          Jimmy Swaggart can write books, music and even teach if he wants but he shouldn't be pastor of any church imho -- not because he's a sinner but because pride prevented him from being properly restored to a leadership role as mandated by Scripture. As of today he hasn't addressed the issue publicly so I have to conclude his rebellion remains.

          http://www.christiananswerman.com/summary-of-jsm/

          http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/g...ored-8881.html

          Comment


          • Originally posted by BarbT View Post
            Here's an old RR thread that discusses Jimmy Swaggart Ministries.

            http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?1635...light=Swaggart

            People have varying opinions on him but the thing I find most troubling is his refusal to step down from the pulpit in obedience to his {Assemblies of God} church's authority for discipline, guidance, and restoration to the ministry after his very public and humiliating fall from grace. Swaggart was caught with a prostitute twice, in 1988 and 1991. Although he went on TV, wept, and admitted he had sinned against God, he told people God wanted him to remain in leadership. When he was caught with a prostitute again in 1995 {this time with pornography in his car} he angrily told his concerned congregation "God told me it's flat none of your business!"

            Jimmy Swaggart can write books, music and even teach if he wants but he shouldn't be pastor of any church imho -- not because he's a sinner but because pride prevented him from being properly restored to a leadership role as mandated by Scripture. As of today he hasn't addressed the issue publicly so I have to conclude his rebellion remains.

            http://www.christiananswerman.com/summary-of-jsm/

            I just know I am blessed by the study of Daniel and the fact that he has a panel of other men with him, it's not just his interpretation.
            God's word will not return void and he can be used by anyone. IMO


            http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/g...ored-8881.html
            I just know I am blessed by the study of Daniel and the fact that he has a panel of other men with him, it's not just his interpretation.
            God's word will not return void and he can use anyone. IMO
            The dogs are barking, someone is knocking on the door...

            Please pray for Lindsey's salvation

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Cindy S. View Post
              I just know I am blessed by the study of Daniel and the fact that he has a panel of other men with him, it's not just his interpretation.
              I'm sure JS's biblical understanding is fine for the most part but the book "Jimmy Swaggart Bible Commentary -- Daniel" is his interpretation. In fact, his notes in red are often longer than the scripture it attempts to clarify.

              As for the panel of men with him, the Swaggarts are known to not allow challenges or correction to their teachings. Since Bob Cornell, Jim Woolsey, and Dave Smith are all employed by SonLife they are probably there to validate the study. I don't mean to pick on JS or his admirers but as Bereans it's important to test all things​ so others who follow won't stumble.

              Comment


              • Jimmy Swaggart Ministry

                * Mods: If this is in the wrong place, please move it. TKS

                I was over at my mom's house the other day and she was watching the jimmy swaggart ministry show while I was in the kitchen prepping her meal. As I was listening they kept talking (yelling) about the Cross. It was "The Cross this, the Cross that". I know that everything Christ did for us lead up to the cross. This is where our sins were paid etc. I'm a firm believer and all but something wasn't settling right from within. Some of the stuff they were saying was good, but something seemed to be off. Like it was too much of the cross, if that were possible! Something was missing.... I felt like a red flag was going off....

                My question is this; Am I missing something here? Am I being too cautious or looking too much into it? Just wondering?....
                See you on the Battlefield,

                Comment


                • IMHO opinion it seems there's a lot being placed on a symbol as opposed to the act itself.

                  Part of the Gospel is indeed the life of and the crusifiction of Jesus. But it's also the death and resurrection of Jesus as well.

                  1 Corinthians 15 1-4

                  To me would depend on a lot of other things he said before I might write him off.
                  Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by jcalvert View Post
                    * Mods: If this is in the wrong place, please move it. TKS

                    I was over at my mom's house the other day and she was watching the jimmy swaggart ministry show while I was in the kitchen prepping her meal. As I was listening they kept talking (yelling) about the Cross. It was "The Cross this, the Cross that". I know that everything Christ did for us lead up to the cross. This is where our sins were paid etc. I'm a firm believer and all but something wasn't settling right from within. Some of the stuff they were saying was good, but something seemed to be off. Like it was too much of the cross, if that were possible! Something was missing.... I felt like a red flag was going off....

                    My question is this; Am I missing something here? Am I being too cautious or looking too much into it? Just wondering?....
                    I originally questioned his doctrine as well, but the more I looked into it the more I found he was right. Swaggart's position is the same as Watchman Nee. They believe that just like salvation is only found in Christ's sacrifice on the cross and by placing our faith in Christ, our daily walk in regards to sanctification is to be grounded in Christ and His sacrifice. In other words, victory over the sin nature, the world, the flesh, and the devil are found in Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

                    I hope this helps.

                    Comment


                    • I've watched Swaggart in the past, and he always insists that what they are referring to is NOT the cross itself, but what Jesus did there.

                      They have some sound teachings, but they also have some teachings that are dangerous, such as conditional security. They also believe that if a person willingly repeats a certain sin over and over, he won't be saved. Of course we know there's no such thing as a perfect church, but these are things to be wary of.

                      His son Donnie is quite defensive and gets cocky at times.

                      I would be VERY careful with them.
                      love in Christ Jesus & prayers,
                      Lynda

                      I am ready to go!!!

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by sing4theLord View Post
                        I've watched Swaggart in the past, and he always insists that what they are referring to is NOT the cross itself, but what Jesus did there.

                        They have some sound teachings, but they also have some teachings that are dangerous, such as conditional security. They also believe that if a person willingly repeats a certain sin over and over, he won't be saved. Of course we know there's no such thing as a perfect church, but these are things to be wary of.

                        His son Donnie is quite defensive and gets cocky at times.

                        I would be VERY careful with them.
                        I tend to agree with your assessment of Jimmy Swaggart ministries. I think his frequent references to "the cross" are references to the work of Christ there, not the cross itself. He also is very emphatic about the thoroughness of Christ's payment, that it covered all of our sin. He usually does a marvelous job with this, but then he may insist that the believer speak in 'tongues', or, that salvation can be forfeited by the believer. I'm not a frequent listener of his radio program but when I have listened, I have been thrilled at times and then astounded at times. I think his theology is a dichotomy. His message seems confusing to me. Again, to be fair, I am not a regular listener, but my impression, based upon what I have heard, and been told by some of his loyal listeners turns me away from recommending him. Just my thoughts...

                        Comment


                        • Oh I agree, absolutely. They seem to contradict themselves at times, preaching in one sermon how Christ's death paid for all our sins, past present and future, but then they will preach in another how you can lose your salvation and that you have to "persevere until the end". We don't have to "persevere", Christ did it for us! So therefore we *are* overcomers and nothing - not even if you commit the same sins willfully or not over and over again - can snatch you out of the Father's hand.

                          I'm not saying it's ok to willfully sin, but the Father knows what we will do. Swaggart makes it sound like God is saying "uh-uh-uh...bad boy/girl...now I'm going to take your salvation away." What kind of loving, understanding God would He be? Even Donnie himself has made (joking?) statements like, "I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, I can repent later" and then make a slanderous or rude comment about someone or some place, etc. Isn't that willful sin? And if he keeps doing it over and over, then won't he lose his salvation (according to the way he thinks)? They make you wonder.
                          love in Christ Jesus & prayers,
                          Lynda

                          I am ready to go!!!

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Truthteller7 View Post
                            I originally questioned his doctrine as well, but the more I looked into it the more I found he was right. Swaggart's position is the same as Watchman Nee. They believe that just like salvation is only found in Christ's sacrifice on the cross and by placing our faith in Christ, our daily walk in regards to sanctification is to be grounded in Christ and His sacrifice. In other words, victory over the sin nature, the world, the flesh, and the devil are found in Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

                            I hope this helps.
                            Does Watchman Nee teach that we can reach entire sanctification/sinless perfection in this lifetime? The only other time that I've heard Watchman Nee mentioned in a Bible discussion forum was when someone was teaching sinless perfection and the person who disagreed with them kept accusing them of following the teachings of Watchman Nee.

                            Comment


                            • Hello? Where is everyone?

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Mailmandan View Post
                                Does Watchman Nee teach that we can reach entire sanctification/sinless perfection in this lifetime? The only other time that I've heard Watchman Nee mentioned in a Bible discussion forum was when someone was teaching sinless perfection and the person who disagreed with them kept accusing them of following the teachings of Watchman Nee.
                                Neither Swaggart or Nee, believe in sinless perfection. People that argue so take their statements out of context. They simply believe that the sin nature, the world, the flesh, the devil, and really all aspects of the Christian's life comes from the finished work of Christ. They believe that just as salvation is accomplished through the cross that our sanctification comes through the cross and the sacrifice that was Christ. We need not trust in anything else such as our own ability or our works because Christ gave us everything and gave us total victory.

                                We don't need to try to gain victory in our lives over sin because Christ gave us victory over every stronghold by dying on the cross. This is reflected in the book of Romans in chapters 7 and 8 and the book of Ephesians.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X