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  • Here is a link to a seven part video of Glenn Beck's "conversion" to Mormonism. What I found interesting was his constant comments about "I" - I want to be "happy." Also, the never ending talk about how "love" can change things . . . If I love you and you love me, that is the "power."

    Lucifer will do anything to add "just enough" to adulterate the True Gospel. I've asked Mormons if they totally trust and believe in the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the penalty for their sins. They say yes. I then ask if baptism is necessary for salvation, they say yes. I ask if the dead can be saved through proxy baptism, they say yes. . . .

    This is just a few of the "additions" to the Gospel . . . let alone the many other issues - the "creation" of Jesus Christ, etc . . .

    I find it interesting that the "truth" of Joseph Smith has had to be revised/edited/reworded as his "truths" didn't come to pass. Either what a prophet says is 100% true or they are not a true prophet.

    The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.



    He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh:


    Psalms 2:2-4a

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    • Once again, our Lord Jesus Christ is the Jesus of the Bible. He is fully God and fully man. He died on the cross to redeem man from the punishment of sin. Any other Jesus, no matter how believable, is not the Jesus of the Bible, the Word made Flesh. Believing in any other Jesus is believing in a lie. A loving, good person who believes in another Jesus is not saved.

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      • Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
        If you fellowship with the light (the truth of Christ, as stated in scripture), then you'll find fellowship with us, because we stand in the light of Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, shed His blood on the cross, was raised after three days, and sits at the right hand of God, awaiting to mete out the judgment evil has already been condemned over, and will soon return to gather His people.
        Amen HIE, Amen!! Great first read for a Sunday morning!

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        • I am a Christian, I follow Jesus Christ and adhere strictly to the Bible. I do not attend a "cultish" church or any church that does not teach the truth of God's Word.

          I geninuely think some have misconstrued what I have tried to relay and got it twisted. That being said...Only God can judge the heart of a person in another church affiliation based on what they know and understand according to God's word. May God grant us all the Truth and Knowledge that only He can give us...
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          • Please understand that it was not my intent to anger people. I guess I would be more interested in a discussion regarding the particular points that make people believe that Mormons are not Christian. My first question was specific:

            Where in the Bible does it define who is and who is not a Christian?

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            • One answer to that question is this. Those who are known as His by the Lord...
              The Lord knows those that are his.
              2 Timothy 2:19
              There are many who call themselves Christians but are not...
              Many shall say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied through thy name, and through thy name cast out demons, and through thy name done many works of power? and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.
              Matthew 7:22-23
              Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. - Charles H. Spurgeon

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              • Originally posted by lightparticle View Post
                Please understand that it was not my intent to anger people. I guess I would be more interested in a discussion regarding the particular points that make people believe that Mormons are not Christian. My first question was specific:

                Where in the Bible does it define who is and who is not a Christian?
                don't be confused with false christs
                the true Jesus is not the brother of satan
                those following false christs are false christians

                Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8), He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17), and He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

                Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

                Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

                Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

                Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation. http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

                The specific Christian definition of a cult is “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” In simpler terms, a cult is a group that teaches something that will cause a person to remain unsaved if he/she believes it. As distinct from a religion, a cult is a group that claims to be part of the religion, yet denies essential truth(s) of that religion. A Christian cult is a group that denies one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity, while still claiming to be Christian.

                The two most common teachings of cults are that Jesus was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Christ results in Jesus’ death not being a sufficient payment for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in salvation being achieved by our own works, something the Bible vehemently and consistently denies. The two most well-known examples of cults are the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. Both groups claim to be Christian, yet both deny the deity of Christ and salvation by faith alone. Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons believe many things that are in agreement with or similar to what the Bible teaches. However, the fact that they deny the deity of Christ and preach a salvation by works qualifies them as a cult. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and members of other cults are “good people” who genuinely believe they hold the truth. As Christians, our hope and prayer must be that many people involved in the cults will see through the lies and will be drawn to the truth of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone.



                Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
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                • Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the thought and effort that it took to put that post together Buzzardhut. However, none of those scriptures define who is and is not a Christian. I understand that you were using those scriptures to define the gospel of Christ. But even someone who does not interpret those scriptures exactly the same as you may still be called a Christian, as the scriptures themselves do not label anyone otherwise.

                  I'm not looking for the usual word semantics. I am seeking the origin of the title "Christian" as it is used today, and by what authority any person has to give or take it away from an individual or group, whether that basis is the Bible, or through slow definition change over time.

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                  • Originally posted by lightparticle View Post
                    Thank you for the replies. I appreciate the thought and effort that it took to put that post together Buzzardhut. However, none of those scriptures define who is and is not a Christian. I understand that you were using those scriptures to define the gospel of Christ. But even someone who does not interpret those scriptures exactly the same as you may still be called a Christian, as the scriptures themselves do not label anyone otherwise.

                    I'm not looking for the usual word semantics. I am seeking the origin of the title "Christian" as it is used today, and by what authority any person has to give or take it away from an individual or group, whether that basis is the Bible, or through slow definition change over time.
                    Christian is a derogatory catchall term.
                    If following a false christ, you are falsely following, and therefore since your religion is false, your faith is false, and not a genuine christian - a person going to heaven.
                    Not all in Christendom are christians and many will tell Jesus they know Him but He will tell them He never knew them



                    Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
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                    • lp - The term "Christian" was started in Antioch in the first century as a slur, calling people "little Christs". Not sure that matters now.
                      "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                      Jesus + something = nothing

                      Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                      • It was used as a derogatory term and a slur...a long time ago. But now, it is used differently, to either include or exclude people from being the followers of Christ. Where is the authority derived from that allows ordinary people to declare who is or is not Christian?

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                        • Originally posted by lightparticle View Post
                          It was used as a derogatory term and a slur...a long time ago. But now, it is used differently, to either include or exclude people from being the followers of Christ. Where is the authority derived from that allows ordinary people to declare who is or is not Christian?
                          the authority is scripture
                          only a small amount of Christendom is saved
                          Those who know the real Jesus are really saved
                          I'm sorry if you don't see it

                          A true Christian:

                          1. Believes that Jesus is Lord: This is the pre-eminent characteristic of a true Christian because salvation hinges on it (Romans 10:9; Philippians 2:11). Marked by:

                          * The public confession of faith (Matthew 10:32).
                          * A willingness to accept that God is the creator, not the 'evolver' of all (Romans 1:18-20).
                          * A desire to disciple and be discipled.
                          * A love for and determination to live according to the commands of God (1 John 5:2).
                          * Concerned about outreach - taking the gospel to the unsaved.

                          2. Accepts that the Bible is the full and final counsel of God: The true Christian acknowledges that the Bible is the means used by God to reveal his character and counsel for faith and life. The Bible is used to test everything, including experience, emotions, thoughts, prophecy and teaching. The Bible is accepted as infallible and accurate. Marked by:

                          * Regular critical reflection, based on the Bible, of any teaching or prophecy Jeremiah 23:28; Acts 17:11).
                          * The regular habit of Bible study (John 8:31; 2 Timothy 3:16).
                          * The ability/willingness to defend the accuracy/reliability and infallibility of the Bible (Jude 3; 2 Corinthians 10:5).

                          3. Holds to all of the essential doctrines of an evangelical faith: The true Christian knows and understands these essentials of the faith. Salvation is by faith alone, in Christ alone, understood through Scripture alone (Romans 10:14), by God's grace alone to the glory of God alone (Ephesians 1:1-14). Marked by:

                          * A maturity in understanding that is not swayed or confused by unbiblical teaching or prophecy (Ephesians 4:14-16).
                          * An ability to teach others with gentleness and respect (Titus 1:11, 2:1; 2 Timothy 2:24).
                          * A willingness to admonish those who deviate from the essentials of the faith (Colossians 1:28, 3:16, 1 Timothy 1:3).
                          * A drive to demonstrate faith in works that build the Kingdom of God (Matthew 24:14).

                          4. Is distressed by sin in the Church: In Hebrews 1:9, referring to Jesus Christ our Lord it is said that he 'loved righteousness and hated wickedness'. The true Christian actively avoids sin in his own life and opposes it in the Church because it undermines our Christian witness before the unsaved (1 Peter 2:12). Marked by:

                          * A deep concern about unrighteousness in the World (2 Peter 2:8).
                          * An active interest in opposing sin in the World (Proverbs 25:26; Ezekiel 9:4; Psalm 119:158).
                          * A willingness to confront sin in the Church (Matthew 18:15-17).
                          * Personal honesty and reflection followed by the open confession of any known personal sin (1 John 1:9; James 5:16).

                          5. Is distressed by false teaching and prophecy in the Church: The prophets, our Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles all warned us that false teachers, apostles and prophets would be present in the Church Matthew 24:11; Acts 20:29-30; John 10:12; 2 Corinthians 11:13). The true Christian is always on his guard. Marked by:

                          * The diligent study of the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15).
                          * Guarding the truth against error (1 Timothy 6:20; 2 Timothy 4:15; 2 Peter 3:14-17) *.
                          * Active opposition to false doctrine and prophecy (Jude 3; Colossians 3:16).

                          * This is especially true for those Christians appointed as elders (Acts 20:31).

                          6. Always tests what they hear and do, against the Word of God: The Lord requires the Christian to test both themselves and what they see and hear against the Word of God (1 Thessalonians 5:21; 2 Corinthians 8:8). True Christians measure their own thoughts words and actions against Scripture (Romans 12:2; Proverbs 3:21). They do the same in relation to others. Marked by:

                          * Regularly appraises their own behaviour against the character traits known as the 'fruit of the spirit' (Galatians 5:22; Ephesians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 13:5).
                          * Does not automatically accept any teaching or prophecy just because it comes from a pastor or well known Christian (Isaiah 8:20; Matthew 7:15; Philippians 1:9-11).
                          * Applies the 'Berean principle' to any teaching they hear (Acts 17:11; 1 John 4:1).
                          * Tests the actions of others against God's commands and judges the person accordingly (1 Corinthians 5:12; Revelation 2:2).

                          7. Consciously models agape love: Love is the most important characteristic of any Christian (1 John 4:8) because the exercise of love as defined in 1 Corinthians 13 mirrors the character of God. Without love a Christian is no more than a 'clanging cymbal' (1 Corinthians 13:1; 1 John 3:14). Love is not an emotion. It is an act of will made more possible by the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the true Christian (John 14:21). Marked by:

                          * A love of God reflected in a sanctified life free of immorality, complacency and deceit. The love of God is reflected in the willingness to obey his commands for holy living (Matthew 22:37; 1 John 5:2-3).
                          * Love and forgiveness for those who hate and abuse the Christian (Matthew 5:44).
                          * A love of the truth and active opposition to what is evil (Romans 12:9; 1 John 3:18).
                          * A willingness to be patient, kind, forgiving, unselfish, persevering, trusting [in God], protective [of others and the truth] and hopeful [in our eventual glorification] (1 Corinthians 13:4-7).
                          * An acceptance of Gods correction (Revelation 3:19).
                          * The conscious separation of the holy from the secular (Luke 16:33; 1 John 2:15).
                          * A loving concern for brothers and sisters in Christ, family and others [our 'neighbours'] (Matthew 19:19; 22:39; 1 John 3:17).
                          * A reduced fear of what might happen in this world and no fear about the certainty of salvation (1 John 4:18).

                          8. Fears God, holding Him in reverential awe: Unlike worldly fear, the fear of God is not a destructive emotion but a life giving, strengthening knowledge based on holding a perfect, holy God in reverential awe. The true Christian knows that God will hold us to account for everything we do, judging our actions, thoughts and motives. Scripture teaches us that fearing God is essential if we are to gain the wisdom and knowledge we need to live according to God's principles and mirror His character (Psalm 111:10, Proverbs 1:7). Marked by:

                          * Actively searching the word of God for the Lord's commands because to love God is to obey His commands (1 John 5:2-3).
                          * The living of an increasingly sanctified life [free of sin - Proverbs 14:27], through the knowledge of God (2 Peter 1:3; Titus 1:1).
                          * Freedom from anxiety, living at peace and seeing church growth (Proverbs 1:33, Acts 9:31).
                          * Is willing to examine and change habits (Psalm 55:19).
                          * Knows the protection and provision of God (Proverbs 2:1-8).
                          * Accepts any testing times as godly growing and learning experiences (Exodus 20:20).

                          9. Is concerned to spread the 'Gospel of the Kingdom': The true Christian recognises that our chief concern must be the proclamation of the 'good news' (Matthew 28:19; Acts 1:8; Revelation 14:6; Colossians 1:23). Any church that does not put the gospel first has lost sight of its calling. There are various aspects to what Jesus called 'the gospel of the kingdom' (Matthew 24:14; Mark 1:14; Matthew 9:35). Marked by:

                          * The ability to present the gospel of Jesus Christ [His death and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins] in different circumstances (Luke 4:18; Romans 10:5).
                          * Apologetic skills - the ability to show how the Bible proves itself [e.g. prophetic fulfilment, archaeological proof, scientific evidence] (1 Peter 3:15; Jude 3; 2 Corinthians 10:5).
                          * An emphasis on a gospel of repentance, not a cheap grace gospel - 'Jesus loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life' (Isaiah 59:20; Jeremiah 15:19; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3-5; Acts 3:19; 20:21; 26:20).
                          * A concern to be a witness to their immediate family (1 Timothy 5:8; Exodus 20:12; Proverbs 30:17; Isaiah 58:7).
                          * A desire to witness by helping the poor and needy (Psalm 41:1; 72:4; Luke 7:22; Mark 10:21; Galatians 2:10; James 2:5).

                          10. Applies a Christian world view to our times: A world view is a consistent understanding of the times in which we live. The true Christian is so grounded in biblical and spiritual understanding that they can apply it to the whole of life and the times in which we live (1 Chronicles 12:32; Matthew 16:3). Marked by:

                          * Recognises that the Bible is the whole counsel of God. There is no segregation of 'church life' and secular life. The whole of life and all that is happening in society and the world is examined in the light of scripture (2 Timothy 3:16).
                          * An ability to discern and shun false ideas (Colossians 2:8; 2 Peter 3:17; Ephesians 5:6).
                          * A concern for righteous government (Romans 13:1-5; 1 Timothy 2:1-2). http://www.truthwatch.info/modules.p...article&sid=96



                          Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
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                          • Originally posted by lightparticle View Post
                            It was used as a derogatory term and a slur...a long time ago. But now, it is used differently, to either include or exclude people from being the followers of Christ. Where is the authority derived from that allows ordinary people to declare who is or is not Christian?
                            The Bible tells us who is or isn't a Christian, not men. If you don't have faith in Christ and aren't saved, then you aren't a true Christian.

                            As for who specifically is or isn't saved, we can only know that about ourselves. It's not up to us to judge who is or isn't saved.

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                            • Originally posted by lightparticle View Post
                              It was used as a derogatory term and a slur...a long time ago. But now, it is used differently, to either include or exclude people from being the followers of Christ. Where is the authority derived from that allows ordinary people to declare who is or is not Christian?
                              I have my answer and I'll be happy to share it with you.

                              However, you seem to have come here to make a point. I'll let you make it and get it out of the way. I'm assuming it has to do with your own definition of who you would consider to be a Christian? I'd like to hear.
                              "...earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Jude 1:3b


                              Jesus + something = nothing

                              Jesus + nothing = Everything

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                              • Mormonism is a cult. Period.

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