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  • Originally posted by Cherished View Post
    Scripture is not as difficult as you would make it. Vampirism is wrong, for many reasons. You must only think you hold scripture highly, for I fear you have gotten much wrong. It is apples to oranges comparing the drinking of blood to eating rare meat. God gives us animals for food. He does not give us human necks!!
    I'm not promoting vampirism or saying it's right. As I've said several times before, it's incredibly unhealthy, and that alone is enough to make it wrong. Even further, drinking human blood is a form of cannabilism. Which...just..don't get me started on that. But since we were discussing Twilight and the supposed promotion of blood drinking within it, I assumed were talking about animals since the "good" vampires drink only animal blood, and those who don't are considered morally inferior to the Cullens. So, with animal blood in mind, since we are told to abstain from blood (not just human blood), should someone not eat meat that has blood in it?

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    • Originally posted by mommywithfour View Post
      I'm not promoting vampirism or saying it's right. As I've said several times before, it's incredibly unhealthy, and that alone is enough to make it wrong. Even further, drinking human blood is a form of cannabilism. Which...just..don't get me started on that. But since we were discussing Twilight and the supposed promotion of blood drinking within it, I assumed were talking about animals since the "good" vampires drink only animal blood, and those who don't are considered morally inferior to the Cullens. So, with animal blood in mind, since we are told to abstain from blood (not just human blood), should someone not eat meat that has blood in it?
      I think this thread is being derailed, mommywithfour.

      You seem very stuck in the drinking of blood vs eating meat issue.

      Maybe it's time to move on.

      You did ask what biblical laws are still pertinent to today. I posted an answer for you from Gotquestions. I hope it helps.

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      • Originally posted by mommywithfour View Post
        I'm not promoting vampirism or saying it's right. As I've said several times before, it's incredibly unhealthy, and that alone is enough to make it wrong. Even further, drinking human blood is a form of cannabilism. Which...just..don't get me started on that. But since we were discussing Twilight and the supposed promotion of blood drinking within it, I assumed were talking about animals since the "good" vampires drink only animal blood, and those who don't are considered morally inferior to the Cullens. So, with animal blood in mind, since we are told to abstain from blood (not just human blood), should someone not eat meat that has blood in it?
        Drinking blood was an important part of pagan rituals during the era the books of the Bible were written in. In fact, it remains so today. This is why God insists we abstain from drinking blood, it is a form of idol, false god and satanic worship. Eating meat and drinking blood cannot be compared, don't twist Scripture to try to justify your argument. People eat meat for sustenance, people drink blood as part of devil worship.

        Please do not assume that because something is not specifically prohibited in the NT that it is OK. If the authors of the Bible had to write down every specific sin not to commit, the Bible would be a hundred times longer than it is. Surely we can read the Bible and understand the intent without being spoon-fed an entire list of things we shouldn't do. I don't recall reading in the Bible that it's prohibited to run naked through an elementary school full of kids, so it's OK, right? No. That's why we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, to guide us. If you think that drinking human blood (or any other act) is inherently wrong, it is not your humanity that is saying that, it is the HS guiding you. People who think such things are OK do not have the HS guiding them.

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        • Originally posted by Tres Wright View Post
          Drinking blood was an important part of pagan rituals during the era the books of the Bible were written in. In fact, it remains so today. This is why God insists we abstain from drinking blood, it is a form of idol, false god and satanic worship. Eating meat and drinking blood cannot be compared, don't twist Scripture to try to justify your argument. People eat meat for sustenance, people drink blood as part of devil worship.

          Please do not assume that because something is not specifically prohibited in the NT that it is OK. If the authors of the Bible had to write down every specific sin not to commit, the Bible would be a hundred times longer than it is. Surely we can read the Bible and understand the intent without being spoon-fed an entire list of things we shouldn't do. I don't recall reading in the Bible that it's prohibited to run naked through an elementary school full of kids, so it's OK, right? No. That's why we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, to guide us. If you think that drinking human blood (or any other act) is inherently wrong, it is not your humanity that is saying that, it is the HS guiding you. People who think such things are OK do not have the HS guiding them.
          I concur!

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          • Originally posted by Tres Wright View Post
            Drinking blood was an important part of pagan rituals during the era the books of the Bible were written in. In fact, it remains so today. This is why God insists we abstain from drinking blood, it is a form of idol, false god and satanic worship. Eating meat and drinking blood cannot be compared, don't twist Scripture to try to justify your argument. People eat meat for sustenance, people drink blood as part of devil worship.

            Please do not assume that because something is not specifically prohibited in the NT that it is OK. If the authors of the Bible had to write down every specific sin not to commit, the Bible would be a hundred times longer than it is. Surely we can read the Bible and understand the intent without being spoon-fed an entire list of things we shouldn't do. I don't recall reading in the Bible that it's prohibited to run naked through an elementary school full of kids, so it's OK, right? No. That's why we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, to guide us. If you think that drinking human blood (or any other act) is inherently wrong, it is not your humanity that is saying that, it is the HS guiding you. People who think such things are OK do not have the HS guiding them.
            You would be wise to heed this. Anything but a desire to learn from you is really pointless at this juncture. I hope you will take the time to listen, much is being said. Scripture is clear on this subject.

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            • Originally posted by mommywithfour View Post
              I KNOW there's so much more to the series than the drinking of blood. That's my point. It's a terrible series and it's unhealthy spiritually, emotionally, and probably mentally as well (I'm halfway kidding on the last one). I am NOT defending Twilight and the subsequent sequals. Far from it. I just think that if we're going to point out what's wrong with it, saying that it "condones" the drinking of blood isn't the way to turn people away from the series. Most readers aren't going to take that seriously. Because normal people aren't going to want to drink blood because the vampire character in their favorite novel does. If they do, then there's clearly something much more wrong in their lives than Twilight (or any other vampire novel/movie).


              Then I stand corrected. Thank you. Though I do have to ask--would eating something that was strangled carry the same moral weight today? I've never even heard that brought up before.
              Animals that are strangled are not bled properly, so basically it still goes back to "abstaining from blood".

              Also, keep in mind that it simply is not healthy to drink/eat blood period, since infections are carried there. God gave the Jews dietary laws for the good reason of keeping them strong and disease free. Although we are not commanded to follow such laws today under the NT, we'd still be wise to follow them for health reasons at the very least, it really does make a BIG difference.

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              • Originally posted by His Bride View Post
                Question: "How can we know what parts of the Bible apply to us today?"

                Answer: Much misunderstanding about the Christian life occurs because we either assign commands and exhortations we should be following as ‘era specific’ commands that only applied to the original audience, or we take commands and exhortations that are specific to a particular audience and make them timeless truths. How do we go about discerning the difference? The first thing to note is that the canon of Scripture was closed by the end of the 1st century AD. What that means is most, if not all, of the Bible was not originally written to us. The authors had in mind the hearers of that day and probably were not aware that their words would be read and interpreted by people all over the world centuries later. That should cause us to be very careful when interpreting the Bible for today’s Christians. It seems that much of contemporary evangelical preaching is so concerned with the practical application of Scripture that we treat the Bible as a lake from which to fish application for today’s Christians. All of this is done at the expense of proper exegesis and interpretation.

                The top three rules of Hermeneutics (the art and science of biblical interpretation) are: 1) Context; 2) Context; 3) Context. Before we can tell 21st century Christians how the Bible applies to them, we must first come to the best possible understanding of what the Bible meant to its original audience. If we come up with an application that would have been foreign to the original audience, there is a very strong possibility that we did not interpret the passage correctly. Once we are confident that we understand what the text meant to its original hearers, we then need to determine the width of the chasm between us and them. In other words, what are the differences in language, time, culture, geography, setting and situation? All of these must be taken into account before application can be made. Once the width of the chasm has been measured, we can then attempt to build the bridge over the chasm by finding the commonalities between the original audience and ourselves. Finally, we can then find application for ourselves in our time and situation.

                Another important thing to note is that each passage has only one correct interpretation. It can have a range of application, but only one interpretation. What this means is that some applications of biblical passages are better than others. If one application is closer to the correct interpretation than another, then it is a better application of that text. For example, many sermons have been preached on 1 Samuel 17 (the David and Goliath story) that center around on ‘defeating the giants in your life.’ They lightly skim over the details of the narrative and go straight to application, and that application usually involves allegorizing Goliath into tough, difficult and intimidating situations in one’s life that must be overcome by faith. There is also an attempt to allegorize the five smooth stones David picked up to defeat his giant. These sermons usually conclude by exhorting us to be faithful like David.

                While these interpretations make engaging sermons, it is doubtful the original audience would have gotten that message from this story. Before we can apply the truth in 1 Samuel 17, we must know how the original audience understood it, and that means determining the overall purpose of 1 Samuel as a book. Without going into a detailed exegesis of 1 Samuel 17, let’s just say it’s not about defeating the giants in your life with faith. That may be a distant application, but as an interpretation of the passage, it’s alien to the text. God is the hero of the story and David was his chosen vehicle to bring salvation to his people. The story contrasts the people’s king (Saul) with God’s king (David), and it also foreshadows what Christ (the Son of David) would do for us in providing our salvation.

                Another common example of interpreting with disregard to the context is John 14:13-14. Reading this verse out of context would seem to indicate that if we ask God anything (unqualified), we will receive it as long as we use the formula “in Jesus’ name.” Applying the rules of proper hermeneutics to this passage, we see Jesus speaking to his disciples in the upper room on the night of his eventual betrayal. The immediate audience is the disciples. This is essentially a promise to His disciples that God will provide the necessary resources for them to complete their task. It is a passage of comfort because Jesus would soon be leaving them. Is there an application for 21st century Christians? Of course! If we pray in Jesus’ name, we pray according to God’s will and God will give us what we need to accomplish His will in and through us. Furthermore, the response we get will always glorify God. Far from a ‘carte blanche’ way of getting what we want, this passage teaches us that we must always submit to God’s will in prayer, and that God will always provide what we need to accomplish His will.

                Proper biblical interpretation is built on the following principles:

                1. Context. To understand fully, start small and extend outward: verse, passage, chapter, book, author and testament/covenant.
                2. Try to come to grips with how the original audience would have understood the text.
                3. Consider the width of the chasm between us and the original audience.
                4. It’s a safe bet that any moral command from the Old Testament that is repeated in the New Testament is an example of a ‘timeless truth.’
                5. Remember that each passage has one and only one correct interpretation, but can have many applications (some better than others).
                6. Always be humble and don’t forget the role of the Holy Spirit in interpretation. He has promised to lead us into all truth (John 16:13).

                As mentioned earlier, biblical interpretation is as much an art as it is science. There are rules and principles, but some of the more difficult or controversial passages require more effort than others. We should always be open to changing an interpretation if the Spirit convicts and the evidence supports.
                Excellent explanation, His Bride.

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                • ‘Twilight’: A Spiritually Confused Reminder For Christian Parents

                  http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=493

                  ‘Twilight’: A Spiritually Confused Reminder For Christian Parents
                  December 2nd, 2009 | Author: Miscellaneous News Source

                  by Ted Baehr

                  “When you buy tickets to spiritually confused and biblically illiterate witchcraft and vampire movies, or nasty sex comedies, you are NOT drawing closer to God. You are pulling away. You do damage to the most important relationship in your life.”

                  This past weekend, over 12 million people voted with their entertainment dollars to see “The Twilight Saga: New Moon.” Several million were no doubt church-going teenagers and young adults..” Several million were no doubt church-going teenagers and young adults.

                  “New Moon” is a spiritually confused, dangerous work.

                  On the one hand, it metaphorically asks the question, “How can I overcome my sinful nature and save my soul?” Thus, the “good” vampires in the movie are constantly trying to overcome their lust for human blood, often succeeding but sometimes failing. On the other hand, the movie’s heroine decides she wants to risk the possibility of losing her soul by becoming a vampire so that she can be with the vampire she loves.

                  Jesus Christ is very clear about the real spiritual dangers in this second message when He asks His disciples in Mark 8:36, “What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?”

                  The average American citizen today, however (especially the nation’s young people), is biblically illiterate. They do not take seriously the theological teachings of Jesus Christ and His apostles in the New Testament documents.

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                  • "Twilight" books and films spawn a religion!

                    Twilight series spawns religion Edward Cullen is real members should read the books like a Bible



                    I just found this link, so sorry it's a bit old. I can't belive people would take stupid vampire books this seriously! This is incredible.

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                    • I can believe it. Potter, Da Vinci Code, Merlin and Camelot, etc.

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                      • Originally posted by SeekHimFirst View Post
                        Animals that are strangled are not bled properly, so basically it still goes back to "abstaining from blood".

                        Also, keep in mind that it simply is not healthy to drink/eat blood period, since infections are carried there. God gave the Jews dietary laws for the good reason of keeping them strong and disease free. Although we are not commanded to follow such laws today under the NT, we'd still be wise to follow them for health reasons at the very least, it really does make a BIG difference.
                        I think Acts 15 covers this very well ...

                        Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: And they wrote letters by them after this manner;
                        The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

                        So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

                        Acts 15:22-31 (KJV)
                        Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. - Charles H. Spurgeon

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                        • Originally posted by Anddra View Post
                          I think Acts 15 covers this very well ...
                          the Twilight phenomenon

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