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  • #16
    Originally posted by sunshine2777 View Post
    Hi,

    Before I go to other sources, I thought I would check in here first.

    I have a friend who is a Jew. He got saved and used to love the Lord. I knew from facebook that he still was still partaking in Jewish celebrations and holidays along side his christianity. Well, I guess he has finally bought into the lie that ALL jews will go to heaven because they are the chosen ones. His response to me was "We worship the same God". And he is flat out rejecting Jesus and the NT.

    So, I know the sin argument and what Jesus did. I think what I need are OT verses maybe that show what "chosen" means and that Jews who do not believe are not going to heaven and will go to hell.

    Have any of you argued this point and, if so, I"m open to suggestions. At first this made my heart hurt for him but now I'm angry because I think deep down he knows better. I also realize that it generally means one of two things: Either he never was really saved Or he was saved and is making a conscious choice to deny Jesus. Both end him up in hell. :-(

    Please help if you have dealt with this before. Thank you ahead of time. I do appreciate any input or advice given.
    Romans 11 does contain OT scripture which pertains to the Jews and also deals with a remnant of Israel that shall be saved


    Romans 11New King James Version (NKJV)
    Israel’s Rejection Not Total

    11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

    7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

    “God has given them a spirit of stupor,
    Eyes that they should not see
    And ears that they should not hear,
    To this very day.”[d]

    9 And David says:

    “Let their table become a snare and a trap,
    A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
    10
    Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
    And bow down their back always.”[e]
    Israel’s Rejection Not Final

    11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

    13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

    16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

    19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

    25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:

    “The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
    And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
    27
    For this is My covenant with them,
    When I take away their sins.”[h]

    28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

    33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

    34
    “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
    Or who has become His counselor?”[i]
    35
    “Or who has first given to Him
    And it shall be repaid to him?”[j]

    36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
    Footnotes:

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    • #17
      I think you should have posted, and highlighted, the footnotes for that page:
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...1&version=NKJV
      Footnotes:

      Romans 11:3 1 Kings 19:10, 14
      Romans 11:4 1 Kings 19:18
      Romans 11:6 NU-Text omits the rest of this verse.
      Romans 11:8 Deuteronomy 29:4; Isaiah 29:10
      Romans 11:10 Psalm 69:22, 23
      Romans 11:22 NU-Text adds of God.
      Romans 11:26 Or delivered
      Romans 11:27 Isaiah 59:20, 21
      Romans 11:34 Isaiah 40:13; Jeremiah 23:18
      Romans 11:35 Job 41:11

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TRex2 View Post
        I think you should have posted, and highlighted, the footnotes for that page:
        https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...1&version=NKJV
        Thankyou TRex2

        Originally posted by sunshine2777 View Post
        Hi,

        Before I go to other sources, I thought I would check in here first.

        I have a friend who is a Jew. He got saved and used to love the Lord. I knew from facebook that he still was still partaking in Jewish celebrations and holidays along side his christianity. Well, I guess he has finally bought into the lie that ALL jews will go to heaven because they are the chosen ones. His response to me was "We worship the same God". And he is flat out rejecting Jesus and the NT.

        So, I know the sin argument and what Jesus did. I think what I need are OT verses maybe that show what "chosen" means and that Jews who do not believe are not going to heaven and will go to hell.

        Have any of you argued this point and, if so, I"m open to suggestions. At first this made my heart hurt for him but now I'm angry because I think deep down he knows better. I also realize that it generally means one of two things: Either he never was really saved Or he was saved and is making a conscious choice to deny Jesus. Both end him up in hell. :-(

        Please help if you have dealt with this before. Thank you ahead of time. I do appreciate any input or advice given.



        http://www.bible-studys.org/Bible%20...Continued.html

        Ezekiel Chapter 20 Continued

        20:27 Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.

        Ezekiel had been relating to the elders about the sins of the children of Israel from the very beginning. Now this is directed, not to the elders specifically, but to all of Israel. This is as if God is saying, in all these years, you have not changed. The fathers, from the very beginning, had blasphemed God in their worship of false gods. They are still doing the very same thing.

        Even in the captivity in Babylon, these elders were still seeking advice from the false prophets, while they sought advice from Ezekiel. They were not faithful to God.

        20:28 [For] when I had brought them into the land, [for] the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings.

        In the beautiful Promised Land that God had given them, they did not rejoice in the beauty of the hills and the trees as being gifts from God. They began their false worship all over again. They worshipped false gods in the high places, and under the thick trees. It seemed everything they saw, caused them to seek the worship of false gods. The sweet savor and the drink offerings were to be for God alone. To burn incense to a false god, is blasphemy in the sight of God.

        20:29 Then I said unto them, What [is] the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day.

        "Bamah" means in ancient Israel or Canaan, a shrine built on an elevated site. For Canaanites the shrines were devoted to fertility deities, to the Baals, or to the Semitic goddesses called the Asherot. The shrines often included an altar and a sacred object such as a stone pillar or wooden pole. One of the oldest known high places, dating from c. 2500 BC, is at Megiddo. And we all know what happens at Megiddo.

        The high places, during the time of the temple, were places where they met and worshipped false gods. The worship in the high places was a very sensuous type of worship. Many times, it included physical adultery, as well as spiritual adultery.

        20:30 Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye whoredom after their abominations?

        This is saying that they have never changed. They are still involved in this very same type of sensual worship their fathers were involved in. It seems all of the chastisements God has sent upon them, has not caused them to stop worshipping false gods.

        20:31 For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.

        It seemed, the worship of Molech was prominent on God's mind. He not only removed Himself from the temple and destroyed it, but He has removed Himself from the presence of these idolatrous people, as well. God will not listen to them. He has turned His back to them.

        20:32 And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.

        They had decided, since they were in exile, and since the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, they could go ahead and worship the false gods. They thought the law left, when the temple was destroyed. What they did not realize, was that to belong to God is a relationship, not a religion.

        20:33 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

        God wanted to rule them with His love as a husband to them. They were not faithful, so He will rule them with a rod of iron, in His fury. The "stretched out arm" shows God's judgment.

        20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

        Paul alludes to this in 2 Cor. 6:17. "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you," "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

        God will someday rule over Israel in the glorious kingdom of Messiah, after the people have repented and been saved.

        20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

        Other lands where the scattered people of Israel live are pictured as a wilderness in which the Jews will suffer.

        This is analogous to God’s bringing His people from Egypt through the wilderness long ago, before thrusting them in the Promised Land.

        20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

        The wilderness wanderings had been a series of problems. Every time they turned from God to false gods, the problems began. They would repent, and God would start them again. It was a series of lessons to be learned. This will be no different. The hardships will be great enough, to cause some to repent and seek God.

        20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

        God used a shepherd figure here, apt since He was their Great Shepherd. As a shepherd, God brings His sheep home to their fold, has them file in, separating sheep from goats, passing under His shepherd’s rod to be noted and checked for injury.

        He will bring them into the bond of the New Covenant by giving them His Spirit with life. This is Israel’s final salvation (See Roman 11 v.26-33).

        20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.

        The "purging" is a separation of the chaff from the wheat, or a separating of the sheep from the goats. God's remnant will be made up of those who do not bow their knees to a false god. Only this pure remnant will go back into the Promised Land. God is the one who separates them. He judges by what is in their hearts.

        God will see that no rebel, no one without the renewing by His Spirit in salvation, will come back to Palestine to have a part in the messianic kingdom. All whom He permits to return will serve Him in contrast to those who serve idols. The purging takes place during the “time of Jacob’s trouble” during the Great Tribulation.

        20:39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter [also], if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.

        God is saying, decide who you will serve, this day. If you are determined to worship idols and false gods, then go on and serve them. Do not come back to me. Do not pretend to worship me, if you are still worshipping false gods. God will only accept the worship of those who worship Him alone. He will not be one of many gods. He is the Almighty God. There is no other.



        Verses 40-42: “all…in the land”. The promised regathering in Messiah’s earthly kingdom is to the very same land, literally Palestine, from which they were scattered, expressly the land given to their fathers.

        They will “all” be there, repentant and saved, serving the Lord wholeheartedly, a united nation engaged in purified worship.

        20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

        In the Jerusalem that is restored, there will be no worship of false gods. The One True God will be worshipped. The temple will be restored. Their offerings and oblations will be acceptable unto Him, because they will worship Him with all their hearts.

        20:41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.

        The sweet savor, in that day, will not be of obligation, but because of their love for God. Their hearts will be in their sweet savor offerings. In fact, they will love so much, it will be difficult to separate them from their offerings. God will bring them home to their promised land from all the places they have been scattered. There will be a sign to the heathen everywhere, that they worship the One True God.

        20:42 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country [for] the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.

        This is a promise of the restoration of the Promised Land to them. Even more than that, it is a promise of God restoring covenant relationship with them. He will be their God, and they will be His people.

        Those who believe that the church has replaced Israel for his special blessing should read this scripture carefully.

        20:43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

        This speaks of a deeply repentant people for the sorrow they had caused, by their worship of false gods. When they remember their sins, they will hate themselves for the sins.

        20:44 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

        Notice the culmination of this in the fact, that they will now know that He is the LORD. This restoration is for the sake of God, as well as man. This restoration is not because they are worthy, but because He is worthy. God has forgiven them, and restored them to fellowship with Him. Every promise that God made to Abraham, will be because of God's faith. God is Truth. He said it, He will do it.

        20:45-46 “Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,” “Son of man, set thy face toward the south, and drop [thy word] toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field;”

        This is a momentary break in the previous sermon of Ezekiel.

        Verses 46-48 … Preach against the South. The South is Palestine, particularly Judah, usually invaded from the North through Babylonia was to the East. Its army would swing West toward the Mediterranean Sea and then come South out of the North to invade Judah.

        The invader, Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C., will overwhelm the land as a sweeping fire devouring trees indiscriminately, green or dry. Palestine had much more “forest” in biblical times.

        20:47 And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.

        “I will kindle a fire”. This parable of the forest that is consumed by fire metaphorically speaks of fires of judgment, sweeping through the land in the form of the Babylonian invaders, like a mighty forest fire which cannot be quenched. (Compare the fiery future devastation yet to affect the Middle East and the world, as forecast in Rev. 9:14-18.

        20:48 And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.

        There will be no doubt from anyone that the destruction that comes, is from a judgment of God. No one, except God, can stop fire that He starts.

        20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

        Certainly, all prophecy is some what of a parable. Each Scripture in the Bible is a parable, in the sense that there is a deeper message than the one we see with our physical eye. It does not mean that the message that we see with our physical eye is not true. It just means that, if we pray and ask God to reveal to us the meaning of the parable, He will reveal to us the spiritual meaning of the Scripture, as well as the literal.

        Ezekiel spoke Truth that God put into His mouth.

        This verse clearly demonstrates the elders’ refusal to comprehend Ezekiel’s clear message. To the unwilling heart, there was no understanding.
        Last edited by Steve53; August 22nd, 2017, 10:50 AM.

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        • #19
          That is a very good reference from Ezekiel.

          Also, what do you think of Amos 8 ?
          https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+8&version=ESV

          I note that, even though it says "in that day" (which is usually a reference to after
          the Rapture) it kinda describes Israel from 70 AD to 1800 AD.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TRex2 View Post
            That is a very good reference from Ezekiel.

            Also, what do you think of Amos 8 ?
            https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+8&version=ESV

            I note that, even though it says "in that day" (which is usually a reference to after
            the Rapture) it kinda describes Israel from 70 AD to 1800 AD.
            Amos 8 seems to me to be speaking of the time of judgement of Israel as pictured by the summer fruit, Israel being ripe for judgement. The reference to summer being near is made in Math.24,Mark 13 and Luke 21 and summer will have arrived after the rapture of the church, for it will be the time when the Lord will again deal with Jacob or Israel. It will be the time of Jacob's trouble, actually the last 3 and 1/2 years of the tribulation period. The Lord will no longer pass by Israel, the hand of the Lord will be heavy upon them in judgement. After all we can know from Zech that 2/3 of the nation of Israel shall perish in the trib period. Amos 8, excellent for what sunshine needs.

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            • #21
              Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum

              Here are some links to Arnold's Jewish witnessing website pages:

              Life in Messiah - http://ariel.org/salvation.htm

              Thought Tracts - http://ariel.org/thought-tracts.htm:
              Does God Have a Son? - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-dgs.pdf
              Messiah, the Final Sacrifice - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-mfs.pdf
              The God-Man Concept in the Old Testament - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-gmc.pdf
              The Sign of the Virgin - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-stv.pdf
              The Trial of the Centuries - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-toc.pdf
              Zionism - What it is and What it is Not - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-zwi.pdf


              Messiah Comes - http://www.messiah.com.es/
              John 14:6
              Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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              • #22
                Jesus Was a Jew video on ariel.org

                Jesus Was a Jew Video (2nd video on page linked below).
                https://www.ariel.org/resources/outreach-videos

                This is a vimeo video, so I'm not sure I can insert directly.
                John 14:6
                Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TRex2 View Post
                  That is a very good reference from Ezekiel.

                  Also, what do you think of Amos 8 ?
                  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+8&version=ESV

                  I note that, even though it says "in that day" (which is usually a reference to after
                  the Rapture) it kinda describes Israel from 70 AD to 1800 AD.

                  Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
                  They that swear by the sin of Samaria,.... The calf at Bethel, which was near Samaria, and which the Samaritans worshipped; and was set up by their kings, and the worship of it encouraged by their example, and which is called the calf of Samaria, Hosea 8:5; the making of it was the effect of sin, and the occasion of leading into it, and ought to have been had in detestation and abhorrence, as sin should; and yet by this the Israelites swore, as they had used to do by the living God; so setting up this idol on an equality with him:

                  and say, thy God, O Dan, liveth; the other calf, which was set up in Dan; and to this they gave the epithet of the bring God, which only belonged to the God of Israel:

                  and the manner of Beersheba liveth; or, "the way of Beersheba" (r); the long journey or pilgrimage of those at Beersheba; who chose to go to Dan, rather than Bethel, to worship; imagining they showed greater devotion and religion, by going from one extreme part of the land to the other, for the sake of it. Dan was on the northern border of the land of Judea, about four miles from Paneas, as you go to Tyre (s); and Beersheba was on the southern border of the land, twenty miles from Hebron (t); and the distance of these two places was about one hundred and sixty miles (u). And by this religious peregrination men swore; or rather by the God of Beersheba, as the Septuagint render it; though the phrase may only intend the religion of Beersheba, the manner of worship there, it being a place where idolatry was practised; see Amos 5:5. The Targum is,

                  "the fear (that is, the deity) which is in Daniel 54eth, and firm are the laws of Beersheba;''

                  [This is the 14th verse of Amos 8

                  14 Those who swear by the Guilt of Samaria,
                  and say, ‘As your god lives, O Dan,’
                  and, ‘As the Way of Beersheba lives,’
                  they shall fall, and never rise again.”]

                  even they shall fall, and never rise up again; that is, these idolatrous persons, that swear by the idols in the above places, shall fall into calamity, ruin, and destruction, by and for their sins, and never recover out of it; which was fulfilled in the captivity of the ten tribes, from whence they have never returned to this day.

                  (r) "via Beersebah", Pagninus, Montanus, Munster, Vatablus, Mercerus, Tigurine version; "iter, peregrinatio", Drusius; "Bersabanum iter", Castalio. (s) Hieronymus de locis Heb. fol. 92. H. (t) Ibid. fol. 89. F. (u) Ib. Epist. ad Dardanura, fol. 22. I.



                  Matthew Henry Commentary
                  Verses 11-14 - Here was a token of God's highest displeasure. At any time, and most in a time of trouble, a famine of the word of God is the heavies judgment. To many this is no affliction, yet some will feel it very much, and will travel far to hear a good sermon; they feel the loss of the mercies others foolishly sin away. But when God visits backsliding church, their own plans and endeavours to find out a way of salvation, will stand them in no stead. And the most amiable an zealous would perish, for want of the water of life, which Christ onl can bestow. Let us value our advantages, seek to profit by them, an fear sinning them away __________________________________________________ ________________

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                  • #24
                    I am not Jewish, but one of my best friends is a Messianic Jew. In addition, in the early days of this forum, many on the board were studying Footsteps of the Messiah by Arnold Fruchtenbaum. This led me to get my own copy and later study some of his other materials. To me he is one of the most solid Bible scholars of our time - especially when it comes to understanding scripture from a historical Jewish perspective. For those that don't know his work, I will also say he is not of the Hebrew Roots ilk. He does enlighten concerning Jewish customs, but he adheres to and uses scripture to teach.

                    Witnessing to Jews must be handled with love and with true biblical understanding. At least I wholeheartedly believe so. If ever there was a group hardened against Jesus, it would be this group. Arnold's materials, because he is a Messianic Jew, are sensitive yet truthful, insightful yet not offensive.

                    Besides the Thought Tracts I linked to above which are amazing for witnessing to Jews here are a couple more sources.

                    Arnold has a book called Jesus Was a Jew, which is available free online. http://ariel.org/jesuswasajew.htm

                    In addition, one of my favorite studies by the Frucht is Ha-Mashiach: The Messiah of the Hebrew Scriptures (formerly entitled Messianic Christology, "now freshly reformatted with an updated introduction) is a study of prophecy concerning the First Coming of the Messiah. Fruchtenbaum works his way through the Hebrew Scriptures and shows from The Law, The Prophets, and The Writings how the revelation of the Messiah gradually progressed and built-up to reveal a magnificent picture of the Deliverer to come.

                    When the messianic expectations of Hebrew prophecy are fully understood, it becomes clear who alone can fulfill these requirements."
                    http://www.arielc.org/baf/baf-hm.html

                    (cost is $20, but it is well worth the money) - it contains all OT prophecies concerning the first coming of Jesus. The weight of this evidence speaks to me of the validity of God's Word and that only Jesus fulfills all of them. If a Jew sincerely undertakes to study this, I believe, he will no longer have any doubts as to who the Messiah is.

                    EDITED TO ADD: I believe all the materials I've listed in the last few posts would be best to witness to a Jewish person, however, there are a couple more studies that might help with the specific issues of sin, covenants and dispensations. Go to this link http://ariel.org/come-and-see.htm and you will find a free listing of topics. I would recommend:
                    The Eight Covenants of the Bible
                    The Dispensations of God
                    What the Bible Teaches Concerning Sin
                    Last edited by Steve53; August 31st, 2017, 06:14 AM.
                    John 14:6
                    Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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                    • #25
                      Ariel.org Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
                      http://ariel.org/salvation.htm

                      The Holy Scriptures tell us five vital facts we need to know:
                      1. GOD IS THE SOURCE OF A SATISFYING AND WORTHWHILE LIFE.

                      You make known to me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; in your right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Psalm 16.11

                      This kind of life is the result of a close relationship with God.

                      In your presence ... in your right hand speaks of a personal relationship that can be as intimate as the one between Abraham and God: Abraham my friend. Isaiah 41:8

                      2. GOD'S CHARACTER IS THE STANDARD BY WHICH MAN IS TO LIVE.

                      “You shall be holy: for I the Lord your God am holy.” Leviticus 19:2

                      Anytime man deviates from God's holiness, he violates God's standard, and this is called sin. Obviously, then, all of us have sinned. Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20 (to be compared with Psalm 53:3-4)

                      Since God is holy and just, He will not establish a personal relationship with anyone until his sin is dealt with because He cannot allow sin in His presence. Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, and You cannot look on wickedness with favor. Habakkuk 1:13

                      Because sin is a violation of His standard and character, God must judge man's sin and reject it. This is why sin causes spiritual death and results in separation from God. But everyone shall die for his own iniquity (sin). Jeremiah 31:30

                      Your iniquities have ever made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have caused Him to hide His face from you. Isaiah 59:2

                      As long as sin separates us from God, we can't enjoy the life and relationship God wants us to have. But can't man solve the problem by living properly by prayer, repentance, and good deeds? No, man cannot remove the sin barrier by his own effort. And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, for in Your sight no man living is righteous. Psalm 143:2 (cf. Ezekiel 33:13)

                      Human effort is not adequate because, in God's sight, all of us have become like one who is unclean and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment.Isaiah 64:5 Human effort is not adequate because man cannot do enough to solve the problem. No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him. Psalm 49:7

                      How can this problem of spiritual death and separation from God be solved?

                      3. GOD MUST TAKE THE INITIATIVE; HE MUST PROVIDE THE SOLUTION.

                      But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave. Psalm 49:15

                      The sin barrier can be removed by believing God's Word (faith) and by having the blood of the atonement.

                      Abraham was an example of how the sin barrier can be removed. Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6 We must follow the same pattern. The steadfast of mind You will keep in perfect peace, because he trusts in You. Trust in the LORD forever. Isaiah 26:3-4a (cf. Habakkuk 2:4) But Moses said that one more thing is essential, the blood of the atonement. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement. Leviticus 17:11 (cf. Leviticus 10:17;4:35)

                      But why would God want man to go through the awful procedure of killing an animal?

                      When the offerer saw the sacrifice suffering and bleeding for the sins which he had committed, he was impressed with the awfulness of sin and the penalty of death (Ezekiel 18:4, 20) the sinner deserved.

                      THE SACRIFICE SHOWED HIM GOD'S:

                      HOLINESS because of His hatred of all evil,
                      JUSTICE because He does not leave sin unpunished,
                      MERCY because of His readiness to pardon the truly repentant and believing by providing a substitute for him.

                      THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE THUS PROVIDED THE BLOOD OF ATONEMENT AND WAS AN ACT OF FAITH ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.

                      But without a priesthood and without a temple, there can be no sacrifices.

                      How can we have the blood of atonement today?

                      4. GOD HAS PROVIDED THE BLOOD OF ATONEMENT FOR TODAY.

                      We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53.6

                      For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. Isaiah 53:8b

                      For he bore the sin of many. Isaiah 53:12b

                      IN THE PROLOGUE TO ISAIAH 53 (ISAIAH 52:13-15), THE AUTHOR IDENTIFIES THE “HE” OF THESE PASSAGES.

                      He is described as God's servant who will be exalted.

                      God's provision of the blood of atonement through the Messiah follows the same principles God set up in the sacrifice system.

                      SIN-OFFERING: Atonement for a man by means of a sacrifice.
                      PESACH: Atonement for a family by means of a sacrifice.
                      YOM KIPPUR: Atonement for a nation by means of a sacrifice.
                      MESSIAH: Atonement for all by means of a sacrifice.

                      As we have seen, under the sacrifice system, personal faith was necessary along with the blood of atonement. So also faith is necessary with the sacrifice of Messiah.

                      He should be the object of our faith today.

                      But how can we know who Messiah is?

                      God made sure we could recognize Messiah by certain specific identifying marks.

                      His ancestry was from the family of David (Jeremiah 23:5-6).
                      The city of his birth was Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
                      He had a supernatural nature (Jeremiah 23:5-6; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 9:6).
                      The manner of his execution was crucifixion (Psalm 22:14-17).
                      He rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 53:10).
                      The time of his coming was before the destruction of Herod's Temple in 70 CE (Daniel 9:26)

                      HISTORY TELLS US THAT YESHUA (JESUS) OF NAZARETH FULFILLED THESE AND MANY OTHER PROPHECIES.

                      There are at least 48 specific prophecies concerning Messiah which Yeshua fulfilled. The probability that one person could fulfill all 48 prophecies is 1 out of 10 with 157 zeros after it!

                      Many people since that time, both Jews and Gentiles, have had their sins forgiven and have gained a personal relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob through Messiah Yeshua (Jesus).

                      5. YOU MUST, BY FAITH, RECEIVE MESSIAH YESHUA INTO YOUR LIFE IN ORDER TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND A SATISFYING, WORTHWHILE LIFE.

                      To all who received Him (the Messiah), to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God. John 1:12

                      Receiving Messiah Yeshua involves a moral decision to turn to God's way and from your own, to trust Messiah Yeshua to forgive your sins and bring you into a right relationship with God. When you receive Messiah Yeshua by faith (trusting what He has done for you), He comes into your life and gives you the power to live a satisfying, worthwhile life.

                      Yeshua says, Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and fellowship with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

                      Remember...

                      God is the source of a worthwhile life.
                      Your sin has separated you from God.
                      God's provision through Messiah Jesus is the solution to the sin barrier.
                      The only thing God asks you to do is to trust Messiah Jesus to forgive you of your sins and give you a right relationship with God.

                      YOU can receive MessiahYeshua by faith right now through prayer.

                      Prayer is talking to God and is a good way to express your faith.

                      You may want to use this prayer to express your decision to trust Messiah Yeshua.

                      PRAYER: Messiah Yeshua, I admit that I have sinned. I believe that you have provided the blood of atonement for me. I receive you as my Messiah. Thank you for forgiving my sins and coming into my life as you promised.

                      Sounds simple ... but when prayed in earnest with a sincere and honest heart, Messiah will come in, take up residence, and radically change your life ... as He has for millions, both Jew and Gentile!

                      (Please note that all the biblical texts cited come from the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible.)
                      THE NEXT STEP:

                      After embracing Yeshua as Messiah, your next step is to “grow in Him” and become spiritually mature. We encourage you to do the following 4 steps:

                      Find a local congregation near you that preaches the Word of God in a balanced and doctrinally sound way (click here to search a directory that may help you locate a Messianic Congregation in your area).
                      Get plugged in to a small group where real growth in your life can take place. (Most congregations have “home groups” into which you should inquire.)
                      Spend time with God's Word! Hear it, read it, study it, memorize it, meditate on it and apply it! Deut. 17:19; Proverbs 7:2-3; Psalm 119:11
                      Pray. The Lord wants to hear from you! King David serves as a wonderful example for all of us. Psalm 27:3, 5, 13-14; 37:3-6

                      MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU ON YOUR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY — YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE “PATH TO LIFE”! L'CHAIM!
                      John 14:6
                      Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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