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    Petition - A Call for Separation

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Cor. 6:14-18)

    This passage gives utterance to a Divine exhortation for those belonging to Christ to hold aloof from all intimate associations with the Ungodly. It expressly forbids them entering into alliances with the unconverted. It definitely prohibits the children of God walking arm-in-arm with worldlings. It is an admonition applying to every phase and department of our lives—religious, domestic social, commercial. And never, perhaps, was there a time when it more needed pressing on Christians than now. The days in which we are living are marked by the spirit of compromise. On every side we behold unholy mixtures, ungodly alliances, unequal yokes. Many professing Christians appear to be trying how near to the world they may walk and yet go to Heaven.

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” This is a call to godly separation. In each dispensation this Divine demand has been made. To Abraham Jehovah’s peremptory word was, “Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house.” To Israel He said, “After the doings of the land of Egypt wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do; neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.” (Lev. 18:3) And again, “Ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation which I cast out before you.” (Lev. 20:23) It was for their disregard of these very prohibitions that Israel brought down upon themselves such severe chastisements.

    At the beginning of the New Testament we are shown the forerunner of Christ standing outside the organized Judaism of his day, calling on men to flee from the wrath to come. The Savior announced that, “He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.” (John 10:3) On the day of Pentecost the word to believers was, “Save yourselves from this untoward generation.” (Acts 2:40) Later, to the Christian Hebrews Paul wrote, “Let us go forth therefore unto Him without the camp.” (13:13) God’s call to His people in Babylon is, “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Rev. 18:4)

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” This is God’s word unto His people today. Nor does it stand alone. In Rom. 16:17 it is said, “Mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them.” In 2 Tim 2:20 we read, “In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the Master’s use.” 2 Tim. 3:5 speaks of those “having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof,” then it is added, “from such turn away.” What a word is that in 2 Thess. 3:14, “If any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him.” How radical is the admonition of 1 Cor. 5:11, “Now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner: with such an one no, not to eat.”

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” We are fully persuaded that it is disregard of this commandment, for command it is, which is largely responsible for the low state which now obtains so generally among Christians, both individually and corporately. No wonder the spiritual pulse of many churches beats so feebly. No wonder their prayer-meetings are so thinly attended; Christians who are unequally yoked have no heart for prayer. Disobedience at this point is a certain preventative to real and whole-hearted devotion to Christ. No one can be an unshackled follower of the Lord Jesus who is, in any way, “yoked” to His enemies. He may be a truly saved person, but the testimony of his life, the witness of his walk, will not honor and glorify Christ.

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” This applies first to our religious or ecclesiastical connections. How many Christians are members of so-called “churches,” where much is going on which they know is at direct variance with the Word of God either the teaching from the pulpit, the worldly attractions used to draw the ungodly, and the worldly methods employed to finance it or the constant receiving into its membership of those who give no evidence of having been born again. Believers in Christ who remain in such “churches” (?) are dishonoring their Lord. Should they answer: “Practically all the churches are the same, and were we to resign, what could we do? We must go somewhere on Sundays,” such language would show they are putting their own interests before the glory of Christ. Better stay at home and read God’s Word, than fellowship that which His Word condemns.

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” This applies to membership in Secret Orders. A yoke is that which unites. Those who belong to a “lodge” are united in solemn oath and covenant with their “brother” members. Many of their fellow members give no evidence of being born again. They may believe in a “Supreme Being,” but what love have they for God’s Word? what is their relation to God’s Son? “Can two walk together except they be agreed?’ (Amos 3:3) Can those who owe their all to Christ, both for time and eternity, have fellowship with those who “despise and reject” Him? Let any Christian reader who is thus unequally yoked get from under it without delay.

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.”This applies to marriage. There are but two families in this world: the children of Cod, and the children of the devil. (1 John 3:10) If. then, a daughter of God marries a son of the evil one, she becomes a daughter-in-law to Satan! If a son of God marries a daughter of Satan, he becomes a son-in-law to the devil! By such an infamous step an affinity is formed between one belonging to the Most High and one belonging to His archenemy. “Strong language!” Yes, but not too strong. And oh the bitter reaping from such a sowing. In every case it is the poor Christian who suffers. Read the inspired histories of Samson, Solomon, and Ahab, and see what followed their unholy alliances in wedlock. As well might an athlete, who attached to himself a heavy weight, expect to win a race, as a Christian to progress spiritually by marrying a worldling. Oh what watchfulness in prayer is needed in the regulation of our affections!

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together.” This applies to business partnerships. Disobedience at this point has wrecked many a Christian’s testimony and pierced him through with many sorrows. Whatever may be gained of this world by seeking its avenues to wealth and social prestige, will but poorly compensate for the loss of fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Read Prov. 1:10-14. The path which the disciple of Christ is called to tread is a narrow one, and if he leaves it for a wider road, it will mean severe chastenings, heart-breaking losses, and perhaps the forfeiting the Savior’s “Well done” at the end of the journey.

    We are to hate even the “garment”—figure of our habits and ways—spotted by the flesh (Jude 23), and are to keep ourselves “unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27) What a searching and sweeping word is that in 2 Cor. 7:1, “Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." it any occupation or association is found to hinder our communion with God or our enjoyment of spiritual things, then it must be abandoned. Beware of “leprosy” in the garment. (Lev. 13:47) Anything in my habits or ways which mars happy fellowship with the brethren or robs me of power in service, is to be unsparingly judged and made an end of—”burned.” (Lev. 13:52) Whatever I cannot do for God’s glory must be avoided.

    “For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?” How explicit and emphatic are the terms used there! No excuse whatever is there for failing to understand the terms of this exhortation, and the reason with which it is supported. “Fellowship, communion, concord, part, agreement” are so plain they require no interpreter. All unions, alliances, partnerships, entanglements, with unbelievers are expressly forbidden to the Christian. It is impossible to find within the whole range of Holy Scripture plainer language on any subject than we have here. “Righteousness, unrighteousness; light, darkness; Christ, Belial”—what have they in common? What bond is there between them?

    The contrasts presented are very pointed and searching. “Righteousness” is right doing; “unrighteousness” is wrong doing. The unerring and only standard of right doing is “the Word of Righteousness.” (Heb. 5:13) By this alone is the Christian’s life and walk to be regulated. But the worldling disregards and defies it. Then what “fellowship” can there be between one who is in subjection to God’s Word with one who is not? “Light” and “darkness.” God is light (1 John 1:5) and His saints are “the children of light.” (Luke 16:8) But the children of the Wicked One are darkness” (Eph. 5:8) What communion, then, can there be between members of families so dissimilar? “Christ” and “Belial”—what concord can there be between one to whom Christ is everything, and one who despises and rejects Him?

    “For ye are the temple of the living God: as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” How blessed is this! First, we have the exhortation given, “Be ye not unequally yoked together”; second, the reason adduced, “for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?”; third, the inducement proffered. This is a divine promise, and it is striking to note it is a sevenfold one:

    1) “I will dwell in them,”
    2) “and walk in them,”
    3) “And I will be their God,”
    4) “And they shall be My people,”
    5) “And I will receive you,”
    6) “And will be a Father unto you,”
    7) “And ye shall be My sons and daughters.”

    “I will dwell in them,” is fellowship; “and walk in them,” is companionship; “and I will be their God,” is relationship. First, in them, then for them; and “if God be for us, who can be against us?” (Rom. 8:31) “And they shall be My people,” is ownership, acknowledged as His. ‘And I will receive you,” means being brought to the place of experimental and conscious nearness to God. “And will be a Father unto you” means “‘I will manifest Myself to you in this character, and impart to your hearts all the joys of such.” “And ye shalt be My Sons and daughters” means, that such godly separation from the world will afford demonstration that we are His “sons and daughters.” Compare Matt. 5:44.

    “Saith the Lord Almighty.” This is the only time the divine title “Almighty” is found in all the twenty-one Epistles of the New Testament! It seems to be brought in here for the purpose of emphasizing the sufficiency of our Resource. As another has said, “Let any Christian act on the command of separation given in 2 Cor. 6:14-17, and he will find his path so beset with difficulties and so tending to arouse the hostility of all, that if his eyes are not kept fixed on the Almighty God who has thus called him out, he will surely have a breakdown.” But let it be noted that these promises are conditional, conditional on obeying the preceding exhortations. Yet if the heart lays hold of this blessed inducement, then obedience to the command will be easy and pleasant. http://www.the-highway.com/Separation.html

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    To clarify and put this in context:

    This was started after much discussion about last summer's Glenn Beck rally, in which several Christians were holding ecumenical hands with other faiths, and saying it was quite okay to do so.

    This "petition" is merely a line drawn in the sand.... saying I stand only for the true Jesus of the BIBLE, and will not entertain another Jesus, or another gospel, nor will I hold hands with other faiths in a spirit of ecumenism.

    Galatians 1: 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
    10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

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    Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
    I cannot see the connection for the admonition you are attempting to make. This is not about a 'communal' or Amish type of separation being communicated here. It is a separation to be true to the Lord.
    was intended as a cautionary word rather than admonition. I have amended my words.
    Thank you for drawing my attention to this.

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  • HeIsEnough
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    Originally posted by Grace1945 View Post
    Confess my heart did sink when I first read this petition thread and yes, deja vu was experienced. If any dissent was ever expressed, Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? was always quoted...never did want to gain the world, just some kids to play with.

    By all means be separate if that is where you are led, as an adult you are responsible for your own decisions
    I cannot see the connection for the admonition you are attempting to make. This is not about a 'communal' or Amish type of separation being communicated here. It is a separation to be true to the Lord.

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    on behalf of the children

    no longer relevant
    Last edited by Grace1945; April 5th, 2011, 03:34 PM.

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  • LindaLee
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    I, Linda Lee, commit myself to remain separate from the world, to be in the world but not of it, to be different due to my faith in the living testimony of Jesus Christ!!

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  • iSong6:3
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    Originally posted by grapplewithGod View Post
    I thought we weren't supposed to take oaths?
    We're not violating a command. Do a study on the Biblical meaning of "oath".

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    I thought we weren't supposed to take oaths?

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    hang on to me Lord and get me out of here please in the name of Jesus

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  • lorenei
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    Originally posted by 4given View Post

    I feel your pain and I am praying for you. This year my oldest daughter who is away at college told me she is an atheist. You could not have hurt me anymore than that. We got into an argument and I said some things in anger that were true, but I should not have lost my temper and said them in anger.

    I do not know how to deal with this, I do not know how to seperate myself from her. Right now we are not really on speaking terms. She has picked herself another loser boyfriend, who is unemployed and a good candidate to be an alcoholic. She knows I don't like him. I don't like men who will not get a job and support their family. She knows I do not approve of the way she is living. To make matters worse I am helping pay for her college and I feel betrayed.

    I Andy have commited to live seperate from the world and not to be unequally yoked to it.


    I can only imagine how much that must hurt, I will be praying for your daughter.

    I guess as a Christian parent all you can really do at this point is show your daughter that you love her (even though it will be very hard at times) and gently guide her towards Jesus Christ through example and sharing the gospel in ways which cater to her specific interests (for me it was prophecy + creationist science).

    I am trying to do that with my sister right now, but I don't know what would grab her interest because I don't think she watched any prophecy or creationist videos I gave her and I think she is finding my talks about the Bible increasingly annoying But I'm trying my best not to give up... my next plan of action is to make her a very pretty box with a Defender's Study Bible in it, some personal notes on my favourite books and different video/audio seminars which made a huge difference in my salvation so that if she ever feels the urge to know more and I'm not around for whatever reason she would have that.

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    I am praying for you

    Originally posted by lorenei View Post
    I'm a bit torn as to what to do about this in my life... I've already distanced myself from most of my friends who aren't Christian, but my dad and my sister aren't Christians and it makes me so sad every day (my dad is atheist, my sister is pretty much agnostic)

    I try talking about God to them sometimes when I come over for dinner to my parents' house, but dad just sees me as this silly girl who believes her silly things and pretty much disregards everything I say. And while my sister is a bit more opened to it, I don't think I'm making a lot of progress with her (I'm praying that my words would at least make her think about these things though). So how do I separate myself from that but at the same time not push my family away so that I can continue witness to them?
    I feel your pain and I am praying for you. This year my oldest daughter who is away at college told me she is an atheist. You could not have hurt me anymore than that. We got into an argument and I said some things in anger that were true, but I should not have lost my temper and said them in anger.

    I do not know how to deal with this, I do not know how to seperate myself from her. Right now we are not really on speaking terms. She has picked herself another loser boyfriend, who is unemployed and a good candidate to be an alcoholic. She knows I don't like him. I don't like men who will not get a job and support their family. She knows I do not approve of the way she is living. To make matters worse I am helping pay for her college and I feel betrayed.

    I Andy have commited to live seperate from the world and not to be unequally yoked to it.

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  • lorenei
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    Originally posted by HeIsEnough View Post
    Your main witness will be how you live in your family. Love or something else? One thing the unsaved do know, how you act gives reason for your beliefs. We can only point the way, they will see it, its not an option for them, just like it was not for us when the Lord brought our lives up in front of our face. They must respond, like us. The bravado of men is merely an act,

    Let everything you do and say be sprinkled with grace, love, humility and truth. They will see your chaste behavior and know you are true to the gospel. That is all we can do. Maybe opportunity will open up for some deeper fellowship. Be on the lookout for it and earnestly pray, be patient.
    Thank you for these kind words of encouragement

    Well here we go then!

    I Lorenei commit myself to remain separate from the world, to be in the world but not of it, to be different due to my faith in the living testimony of Jesus Christ!!

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  • carol1948
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    If they watch the news you may can start a conversation by commenting on how what's going on has already been prophesied, and what is to happen soon. This may get their attention. Things like Iran and Russia partnering up as a first time in history; Turkey aligning herself with them; etc. If nothing else, it may get them to thinking. Though they may never admit it to you or out loud, who knows what they are thinking (being convicted of) when they are alone and quiet.

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  • HeIsEnough
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    Originally posted by lorenei View Post
    I try talking about God to them sometimes when I come over for dinner to my parents' house, but dad just sees me as this silly girl who believes her silly things and pretty much disregards everything I say. And while my sister is a bit more opened to it, I don't think I'm making a lot of progress with her (I'm praying that my words would at least make her think about these things though). So how do I separate myself from that but at the same time not push my family away so that I can continue witness to them?
    Your main witness will be how you live in your family. Love or something else? One thing the unsaved do know, how you act gives reason for your beliefs. We can only point the way, they will see it, its not an option for them, just like it was not for us when the Lord brought our lives up in front of our face. They must respond, like us. The bravado of men is merely an act,

    Let everything you do and say be sprinkled with grace, love, humility and truth. They will see your chaste behavior and know you are true to the gospel. That is all we can do. Maybe opportunity will open up for some deeper fellowship. Be on the lookout for it and earnestly pray, be patient.

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    Amen Buzz!

    I, LindaR, commit myself to remain separate from the world, to be in the world but not of it, to be different due to my faith in the living testimony of Jesus Christ!!

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