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    Is it right to publicaly name false teachers.
    A wonderful christian brother who has a discernment ministry Justin Peters is his name.
    Our very own Todd Friel has had him on his show entitled 'Wrethced'.

    Justin was on Genesis/Revelation TV ( A UK cristian broadcast) a week or so ago being interviewed ..

    The orginisers cut the programme short because they accuesed Justin of naming names of false teachers.

    Its so sad as Justin comes accross as a humble guy who knows his stuff and has a great website exposing false teaching in the church.

    is it right to name false teachers in the light of scripture?

    dave

  • #2
    I believe a good shepherd and watcher protects the sheep from the wolves.



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    • #3
      Originally posted by The bearen View Post
      Is it right to publicaly name false teachers.
      A wonderful christian brother who has a discernment ministry Justin Peters is his name.
      Our very own Todd Friel has had him on his show entitled 'Wrethced'.

      Justin was on Genesis/Revelation TV ( A UK cristian broadcast) a week or so ago being interviewed ..

      The orginisers cut the programme short because they accuesed Justin of naming names of false teachers.

      Its so sad as Justin comes accross as a humble guy who knows his stuff and has a great website exposing false teaching in the church.

      is it right to name false teachers in the light of scripture?

      dave
      Satan twists the Word of God into making the church (and the world) believe it should NEVER exercise judgment or name falsehoods. "Judge NOT that ye be not judged" is well known by the rebellious and used to judge the church LOL.

      The Lord Jesus warned the disciples (church) of the Pharisees (Matt 7:15) and called them out face to face (Matt 21:31-35). In His Revelation letters He approves of calling out false teaching, apostles, prophets etc.

      Paul said “MARK THEM which cause divisions and offenses CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17) and called out false teachers (2 Cor.11:13, 2 Tim.2:17-18, 2 Tim. 4:14)

      John ditto (1Jn.4:1, 3Jn:9-10)

      The early church fathers named heresies after the false teachers (Arianism after Arius, Pelagianism after Pelagius, etc.).

      If the shepherds do not name both the lie and the preacher of lies then it is the mark of a worthless shepherd who offers no protection for the sheep, and if they teach the "no judging" heresy they oppose both the Word and God.

      Praise God for Justin. Didn't Paul rebuke Peter in public for coming back under the law? But Peter was deceived and repented immediately.

      These men that Justin names twist the Word of God for their own sakes. I like how Wm MacDonald puts it...

      “It is an ungodly tolerance that has allowed so many pulpits in America to be filled with ‘false apostles and deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ’. Detecting a resemblance to conditions in Elijah’s day, J Sidlow Baxter writes ‘Such are the people who today, with sickly kindness, will tolerate teachers of errors in our pulpits because they are such smooth-mannered and amiable gentlemen. They would rather allow error to be preached and souls to be deceived than hurt the preacher’s feelings. Let Baal be worshipped rather than drought come! Let the cancer kill its victim rather than the cruel surgeon use the knife!…The best thing that could happen to some so-called Christian ministers of today is that they should be denounced in God’s name by their hearers’.

      It is a sinful tolerance [1] that refuses to castigate a false church system that leads millions to eternal destruction with its perverted gospel. [2] That honours its head as a great evangelist at the same time that he is condemning evangelicals as wolves. [3] That labels God’s prophets as divisive when they denounce its idolatry, its mariolatry and its other heresies. [4] That sends converts back into its deadening clutches.

      What has happened to the church of the martyrs?

      We have an enormous craving for popularity. This is the stuff of which false prophets are made. We have a desire to avoid unpleasantness at all cost. A desire like this keeps us from confronting, from intervening when we should.

      We have a distaste for being different. We find it easier to move along with the crowd, to drift with the tide. It is all too easy to remain silent when we are in an adverse theological climate. We are ‘slaves who dare not to be right with two or three’.

      We have lost the capacity for being angry. We are not easily enough disturbed. We are in the sorry state of having no capacity for indignation. We are experts at putting off decisiveness simply because we don’t want to act.

      Sometimes we are too blinded by friendship to stand against wrong. When a Christian spoke out against E. J. Carnell’s book ‘The Case For Orthodoxy’ because it argued against the inspiration of the Scriptures, a friend of the author said ‘Well you do not know him personally as I do. He is a gracious gentleman, a godly man’.

      Jay Adams was right when he said ‘In some circles, the fear of controversy is so great that preachers and congregations following after them will settle for peace at any cost - even the cost of the truth - God’s truth. The idea is that peace is all- important. Peace is a biblical ideal…but so is purity. The peace of the church may never be bought at the price of the purity of the church. The price is too dear’.

      Ecumenism and catholicity are two great buzzwords today. Let’s all get together. Don’t do or say anything to rock the boat. Doctrine divides, they say. What we need is unity.

      What we really need is to contend earnestly for the faith in a day when it is being attacked, diluted and denied. We will be tolerant in matters of indifference but intolerant of departure from the truth of God. With Luther, ‘Here we stand. We can do no other’.”

      Disciples of Christ are held accountable for progressively learning and proclaiming the whole will and counsel of God, which includes warning others of false teachings and those responsible for them (see also Isa. 58:1; Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10; Acts 20:26-32; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Tim. 2:17-18).

      Christ’s true representatives are known by their purity of character and doctrine (Tit. 1:5-9; 2:6-8).

      “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove (EXPOSE) them.” Ephesians 5:11

      “Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” 1 Timothy 5:20
      “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:6-9

      This is the protective love of the LORD. Here is the list of the 8 evil doers the great apostle was inspired to justifiably identify by name in 2 Timothy:

      * 1) Phygellus 1:15
      * 2) Hermogenes 1:15
      * 3) Hymenaeus 2:17
      * 4) Philetus 2:17
      * 5) Jannes 3:8
      * 6) Jambres 3:8
      * 7) Demas 4:10 (apostate)
      * 8) Alexander the coppersmith 4:14

      See http://www.forgottenword.org/naming-names.html

      See also Jn MacArthur
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfnCDAN1q9w

      Praise God for Justin's obedience to the pure Word of God. Go Justin go!

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      • #4
        Pastor Bob DeWaay says......

        The Apostle Paul himself publicly named two pastors who were teaching heresy.... in 1 Timothy 1: 18-20

        This command I entrust to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophecies
        previously made concerning you, that by them you may fight the good fight, keeping
        faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in
        regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have
        delivered over to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.
        The reason false teachers are dealt with publicly is that their teaching is public. One does
        not need two or three witnesses or a private meeting to determine if a public teaching is
        Biblical or not. Everyone who heard them knows what they believe and teach. At issue is
        whether the teaching is Biblical. False teaching damages the church, and it cannot be
        tolerated.

        From the article, The Believers Call to Judge part 3 – Naming Names
        More on this here:

        http://cicministry.org/commentary/worldview0018.pdf

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        • #5
          I agree that false teaching needs to be dealt with. Evil prevails when nothing is done. I respect people whose actions line up with what they profess. This world talks a lot about being politically correct, but Christians are to be scripturally correct. There are a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing, and I also believe that we are not to sit back and do nothing about it. We are not to be people pleasers, but God pleasers. It is time true believers stop compromising, and let people know your fruit is good. Don't be a bad apple be a good apple.
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          • #6
            I agree.....

            Originally posted by yoohoo View Post
            Satan twists the Word of God into making the church (and the world) believe it should NEVER exercise judgment or name falsehoods. "Judge NOT that ye be not judged" is well known by the rebellious and used to judge the church LOL.

            The Lord Jesus warned the disciples (church) of the Pharisees (Matt 7:15) and called them out face to face (Matt 21:31-35). In His Revelation letters He approves of calling out false teaching, apostles, prophets etc.

            Paul said “MARK THEM which cause divisions and offenses CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and avoid them” (Romans 16:17) and called out false teachers (2 Cor.11:13, 2 Tim.2:17-18, 2 Tim. 4:14)

            John ditto (1Jn.4:1, 3Jn:9-10)

            The early church fathers named heresies after the false teachers (Arianism after Arius, Pelagianism after Pelagius, etc.).

            If the shepherds do not name both the lie and the preacher of lies then it is the mark of a worthless shepherd who offers no protection for the sheep, and if they teach the "no judging" heresy they oppose both the Word and God.

            Praise God for Justin. Didn't Paul rebuke Peter in public for coming back under the law? But Peter was deceived and repented immediately.

            These men that Justin names twist the Word of God for their own sakes. I like how Wm MacDonald puts it...

            “It is an ungodly tolerance that has allowed so many pulpits in America to be filled with ‘false apostles and deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ’. Detecting a resemblance to conditions in Elijah’s day, J Sidlow Baxter writes ‘Such are the people who today, with sickly kindness, will tolerate teachers of errors in our pulpits because they are such smooth-mannered and amiable gentlemen. They would rather allow error to be preached and souls to be deceived than hurt the preacher’s feelings. Let Baal be worshipped rather than drought come! Let the cancer kill its victim rather than the cruel surgeon use the knife!…The best thing that could happen to some so-called Christian ministers of today is that they should be denounced in God’s name by their hearers’.

            It is a sinful tolerance [1] that refuses to castigate a false church system that leads millions to eternal destruction with its perverted gospel. [2] That honours its head as a great evangelist at the same time that he is condemning evangelicals as wolves. [3] That labels God’s prophets as divisive when they denounce its idolatry, its mariolatry and its other heresies. [4] That sends converts back into its deadening clutches.

            What has happened to the church of the martyrs?

            We have an enormous craving for popularity. This is the stuff of which false prophets are made. We have a desire to avoid unpleasantness at all cost. A desire like this keeps us from confronting, from intervening when we should.

            We have a distaste for being different. We find it easier to move along with the crowd, to drift with the tide. It is all too easy to remain silent when we are in an adverse theological climate. We are ‘slaves who dare not to be right with two or three’.

            We have lost the capacity for being angry. We are not easily enough disturbed. We are in the sorry state of having no capacity for indignation. We are experts at putting off decisiveness simply because we don’t want to act.

            Sometimes we are too blinded by friendship to stand against wrong. When a Christian spoke out against E. J. Carnell’s book ‘The Case For Orthodoxy’ because it argued against the inspiration of the Scriptures, a friend of the author said ‘Well you do not know him personally as I do. He is a gracious gentleman, a godly man’.

            Jay Adams was right when he said ‘In some circles, the fear of controversy is so great that preachers and congregations following after them will settle for peace at any cost - even the cost of the truth - God’s truth. The idea is that peace is all- important. Peace is a biblical ideal…but so is purity. The peace of the church may never be bought at the price of the purity of the church. The price is too dear’.

            Ecumenism and catholicity are two great buzzwords today. Let’s all get together. Don’t do or say anything to rock the boat. Doctrine divides, they say. What we need is unity.

            What we really need is to contend earnestly for the faith in a day when it is being attacked, diluted and denied. We will be tolerant in matters of indifference but intolerant of departure from the truth of God. With Luther, ‘Here we stand. We can do no other’.”

            Disciples of Christ are held accountable for progressively learning and proclaiming the whole will and counsel of God, which includes warning others of false teachings and those responsible for them (see also Isa. 58:1; Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10; Acts 20:26-32; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Tim. 2:17-18).

            Christ’s true representatives are known by their purity of character and doctrine (Tit. 1:5-9; 2:6-8).

            “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove (EXPOSE) them.” Ephesians 5:11

            “Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” 1 Timothy 5:20
            “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:6-9

            This is the protective love of the LORD. Here is the list of the 8 evil doers the great apostle was inspired to justifiably identify by name in 2 Timothy:

            * 1) Phygellus 1:15
            * 2) Hermogenes 1:15
            * 3) Hymenaeus 2:17
            * 4) Philetus 2:17
            * 5) Jannes 3:8
            * 6) Jambres 3:8
            * 7) Demas 4:10 (apostate)
            * 8) Alexander the coppersmith 4:14

            See http://www.forgottenword.org/naming-names.html

            See also Jn MacArthur
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfnCDAN1q9w

            Praise God for Justin's obedience to the pure Word of God. Go Justin go!
            I find it difficult to do,but I believe is my wrong perception of humilty....so I AGREE!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by yoohoo View Post
              These men that Justin names twist the Word of God for their own sakes. I like how Wm MacDonald puts it...

              “It is an ungodly tolerance that has allowed so many pulpits in America to be filled with ‘false apostles and deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ’. Detecting a resemblance to conditions in Elijah’s day, J Sidlow Baxter writes ‘Such are the people who today, with sickly kindness, will tolerate teachers of errors in our pulpits because they are such smooth-mannered and amiable gentlemen. They would rather allow error to be preached and souls to be deceived than hurt the preacher’s feelings. Let Baal be worshipped rather than drought come! Let the cancer kill its victim rather than the cruel surgeon use the knife!…The best thing that could happen to some so-called Christian ministers of today is that they should be denounced in God’s name by their hearers’.

              It is a sinful tolerance [1] that refuses to castigate a false church system that leads millions to eternal destruction with its perverted gospel. [2] That honours its head as a great evangelist at the same time that he is condemning evangelicals as wolves. [3] That labels God’s prophets as divisive when they denounce its idolatry, its mariolatry and its other heresies. [4] That sends converts back into its deadening clutches.

              What has happened to the church of the martyrs?

              We have an enormous craving for popularity. This is the stuff of which false prophets are made. We have a desire to avoid unpleasantness at all cost. A desire like this keeps us from confronting, from intervening when we should.

              We have a distaste for being different. We find it easier to move along with the crowd, to drift with the tide. It is all too easy to remain silent when we are in an adverse theological climate. We are ‘slaves who dare not to be right with two or three’.

              We have lost the capacity for being angry. We are not easily enough disturbed. We are in the sorry state of having no capacity for indignation. We are experts at putting off decisiveness simply because we don’t want to act.

              Sometimes we are too blinded by friendship to stand against wrong. When a Christian spoke out against E. J. Carnell’s book ‘The Case For Orthodoxy’ because it argued against the inspiration of the Scriptures, a friend of the author said ‘Well you do not know him personally as I do. He is a gracious gentleman, a godly man’.


              What we really need is to contend earnestly for the faith in a day when it is being attacked, diluted and denied. We will be tolerant in matters of indifference but intolerant of departure from the truth of God. With Luther, ‘Here we stand. We can do no other’.”

              Disciples of Christ are held accountable for progressively learning and proclaiming the whole will and counsel of God, which includes warning others of false teachings and those responsible for them (see also Isa. 58:1; Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10; Acts 20:26-32; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Tim. 2:17-18).

              Christ’s true representatives are known by their purity of character and doctrine (Tit. 1:5-9; 2:6-8).
              I agree with your whole post yoohoo, but the above stood out for me, how true! This is a huge problem in the churches today!

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              • #8
                Wow Excellent Yoohooo.

                Plus others very good , you have spelled it out so clearly.

                Who knows that Lord may well use this whole episode that Justin went through to really bring to light more widely the dangers of entertaining WoF teachers.

                Here's a link to justins website:

                http://justinpeters.org/media.html

                if you click on 'Wretched ' the interview with Rapture Ready's Todd Friel, it will shock you when you hear for youself what Gloria Copeland and Clefflo Dollar crazy claims .

                Dave

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                • #9
                  We have hashed this out before and the simple answer is yes! Not every believer takes the time to know all the major players they see on the bookshelf at the local "Christian Book Store" so, watchmen are a hugely important group needed to alert the flock to danger in their midst.

                  That said, those same Watchers need to be sure of what they say, and know for fact what they report.

                  Discernment is a gift that must be shared by the person to whom God has given it!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Buzzardhut View Post
                    I believe a good shepherd and watcher protects the sheep from the wolves.



                    I have in my town publically warned folks online and offline about false teachers such as Eric Elnes and Jane Florence


                    and also of people such as Mark Ashton and Les Beauchamp and Jay West who promote false teachers



                    I get flak for it but I believe people knowing the truth is important.
                    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

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                    • #11
                      The Lord gave so many warnings.

                      Paul named names with false teachers. Scripture is the model.

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                      • #12
                        To Judge or Not Be Judged

                        by Ray Yungen
                        February 15, 2010

                        With regard to the current spiritual deception coming into the church, let us ask two questions: Is it right to judge? And do all paths lead to God?

                        Jesus Christ foretold in Matthew 7:22-23:
                        Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

                        I find it most interesting that people who were doing "many wonderful works" or miraculous works in His name were, in reality, working "iniquity" or evil. This leads me to believe that a great deception is occurring.

                        These verses also tell me that all paths do not lead to God and, because they do not, one had better judge which path is correct. Many people, of course, counter with, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." However, taken in context, this verse (Matthew 7:1) is talking about hypocrisy in human behavior and not about withholding critical examination of spiritual teachings. Galatians 1:8 bears out the necessity to evaluate spiritual teaching with proper discernment. Paul warns:
                        But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

                        And II John 1:9-11 says:
                        Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

                        And again in Ephesians 5:11, "...have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

                        How may we reprove something if we don't determine whether or not it fits the bill of "unfruitful works?" In II Timothy 3:16-17, we read:
                        All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect [complete], thoroughly furnished [fully equipped] unto all good works.

                        Read article ...
                        Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right. - Charles H. Spurgeon

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                        • #13
                          To this day, I regret not calling out the "evangelist" who led my SBC church in leading the church to invite the Hindu god "OM" to our sanctuary.

                          The greatest sin that day wasn't the deceived sheeple following that man, but my silence in not rebuking him publicly and on the spot. Well, come to think of it, my sin must've been the second worse -- right after his invoking the name of that devil.

                          I'll never do that again. A painful lesson I learned.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SaintTexas View Post
                            The Lord gave so many warnings.

                            Paul named names with false teachers. Scripture is the model.

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                            • #15
                              I can't add anymore to the above but was glad to read it and learn.
                              Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
                              Coming again coming again maybe morning maybe noon maybe evening and maybe soon!
                              Coming again coming again O what a wonderful day it will be! Jesus is coming again!

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