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  • #76
    A catholic friend told me yesterday that she had to make sure that she got to church early (today) to get her ashes. I asked to tell me what the ash smear meant and she told me that it was to remind people that they will return to dust. She said that in a year (when she turns 65), she won't have to do certain "lent" requirements because of her age (??). Another person (who isn't catholic) said that they were giving up lent for lent. Seems complicated and I'm glad my mother left the RCC. I only have a few memories of it.

    A former manager (who was RCC) used to describe it as "dirt head day". He wasn't a fan......
    1 John 3:23 ~ And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Not Perfect, But Forgiven View Post
      Lent? What a concept. A catholic asked me what I am giving up for Lent. I said "Fear." Praise Jesus. He died and was raised again. Those who believe in Him are under no condemnation. I don't understand why Catholics belive and worship as if He's still on the cross.





      My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
      For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.


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      • #78
        wow...something in my spirit always said that Lent was not of God but I never made the connection until now. Great because I was going to participate this year but if it's unscriptural, I'm not going there.

        I just let my co-worker know too that it's not scriptural.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Karen View Post
          A catholic friend told me yesterday that she had to make sure that she got to church early (today) to get her ashes. I asked to tell me what the ash smear meant and she told me that it was to remind people that they will return to dust. She said that in a year (when she turns 65), she won't have to do certain "lent" requirements because of her age (??). Another person (who isn't catholic) said that they were giving up lent for lent. Seems complicated and I'm glad my mother left the RCC. I only have a few memories of it.

          A former manager (who was RCC) used to describe it as "dirt head day". He wasn't a fan......
          Yes, they turn to dust and remain but if they get saved Jesus will give them a new body at the rapture.



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          • #80
            In catechism, I was taught that by observing the 40 days of lent and giving something up for lent, I was honoring Jesus for the 40 days and 40 nights He spent in the desert before He began His ministry. I was also told that if I ate meat on a Friday during lent, it was a mortal sin and I would go to hell for it.

            How many of you out there have ever done the calculations? From today until Resurrection Sunday, do you how many days it is? Let me tell ya, it's not 40. From today until April 8th, Resurrection Sunday this year, it is 46 days!!!! How can that be? Good question. The rcc does not count Sundays, it's that simple. When Jesus was in the desert, He was there for 40 days straight. As the rcc celebrates lent, it's 6 days plus one day off (Sunday) as a day of rest. Of course, you are encouraged for those extra 6 days to treat those days like regular lenten days, swearing off whatever it is you gave up for lent, but you indulge if you want. Am I confused? You bet I am!!!!

            If catholics really want to honor Jesus, I have a few suggestions:

            1.) Realize His finished work on the cross is just that...FINISHED!!! There is no purgatory to pay your sin debts in. There's no need from it and it detracts from His Awesome power.

            2.) Ask Him to forgive you or ask the Father to forgive you in Jesus' Holy Name. No sinner can forgive sins on God's behalf, even the apostles were given the power to remit, not forgive, sins.

            3.) Stop trying to turn Mary and the saints into idols. They were people just like you and me and truth to tell, many of those that the rcc have deemed to be saints either don't exist, or never made it to heaven.

            4.) Stop believing that a piece of bread is Jesus' body and that when you eat that bread, you are closer to Him than at any other time. Cannabalism is NEVER allowed in the Bible, at the times it happens, it is always disgusting. Finally we all need Jesus in our hearts, not our stomachs.

            Doing the things above will give Jesus great amounts of honor and it is right to honor Him for His life, His sacrifice, His resurrection and the fact that He is the Only Begotten Son of God, God Incarnate, our ONLY Mediator and our great and exceeding reward among many other reasons to honor Him.




            My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
            For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.


            Baruch haba b'Shem Yahweh!!

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            • #81
              Originally posted by His Bride View Post
              Does this mean that it is time to meet with your pastor and have a chat about the direction he is taking your church? Once the door is opened, there will be many more practices allowed to come....and you will be heading to Rome...
              Correct, Pastors need to be called out for bringing apostasy into their churches



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              • #82
                Since I became a Christian, I have attended Baptist, Evangelical, Pentecostal and Anglican churches. None of them have made a special mention of Lent or encouraged its observation. So without really knowing I have just assumed Lent was a Catholic thing.

                The Bible expects Christians to fast from time to time. The way I understand it is that fasting is a personal decision you make with God and not something to be done at set times during the year.

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                • #83
                  I know the Bible talks about fasting, but I'm not convinced it "teaches" fasting.

                  http://www.truthortradition.com/ipho...faqs&Itemid=59

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                  • #84
                    More and more Protestant churches are practicing Ash Wednesday. Why?

                    The postmodern (Emerging, Emergent and Emergence) movements are growing by leaps and bounds within the Protestant denominations. Many postmodern Protestant denominations (mainline/liberal as well as evangelical) are getting increasingly involved in Spiritual Formation (which quotes many Catholic mystics), as well as Ash Wednesday, Lent, Advent, and other liturgical “holy days” first practiced in Roman Catholicism.

                    My point is, more and more Protestant churches are “giving in” to Catholic teachings and practices, not vice versa. Which brings us to the five solas. Protestant church leaders, who have traditionally held to the five solas, are presenting more and more practices from Catholicism, which does not hold to the five solas. As a Protestant who believes the five solas are the true teachings of God’s Word, I find this very troubling.


                    Now on to a discussion of Ash Wednesday itself. Regarding Ash Wednesday and Lent as times for true repentance, there are certainly many Catholics (and Protestants) who do not truly repent during these times. Why else the huge popularity of Mardi Gras the day before Ash Wednesday? In fact, there is an entire Catholic “Carnival” period between Christmas and Ash Wednesday: http://www.americancatholic.org/features/mardigras/ In light of this, it seems to me many Catholics are not truly repentant during Ash Wednesday and Lent – they are just playing church and/or trying to get to Heaven by “good works” and abstaining during Ash Wednesday and Lent.

                    I came across an excellent article by Craig Portwood exposing the pagan origin of Ash Wednesday. Click here for the original text of this article. In my repost below, I have emphasized certain points by bolding, and inserted comments in [brackets].

                    “The pagan origin of Ash Wednesday”
                    by Craig Portwood

                    It’s not mentioned in the Bible. None of the apostles observed it. Nowhere are Christians commanded to keep it. It was not even officially practiced until nearly 1000 years after Christ’s resurrection. Like so many other non-biblical “Christian” customs, it has pagan roots. It’s a sad fact that modern Christianity has appropriated so many customs from the practice of the heathens, that one might wonder if it should still be called Christianity.

                    The early Pagan origins of Ash Wednesday

                    [The following drawing may appear irreverent, but I am including it anyway to illustrate how unbiblical the practice of Ash Wednesday is. Throughout the Old Testament, God condemned Israel for borrowing a number of "trivial" pagan practices from its neighbors. I believe our sinless Lord Jesus, knowing the pagan origin of "ashes on the forehead," would have refused to take part in this sinful practice.]

                    This ritual “imposition of the ashes” is purportedly in imitation of the repentant act of covering oneself in dust and ashes. The marking of believers on Ash Wednesday is done in combination of another extra-biblical routine called “Lent.” Despite Christ’s command to his followers to abstain from the practice of disfiguring their faces during fasting, it has become a regular practice. He also told us to wash our faces during a fast.

                    The practice of putting ashes on one’s forehead has been known from ancient times. In the Nordic pagan religion, placing ashes above one’s brow was believed to ensure the protection of the Norse god, Odin. This practice spread to Europe during the Vikings conquests. This laying on of ashes was done on Wednesday, the day named for Odin, Odin’s Day. Interestingly enough, according to Wikipedia, one of Odin’s names is Ygg. The same is Norse for the World Ash. This name Ygg, closely resembles the Vedic name Agni in pronunciation.

                    The Norse practice which has become known as Ash Wednesday was itself, drawn from the Vedic Indian religion. Ashes were believed to be the seed Agni , the Indian fire god. It is from this name that the Latins used for fire, ignis. It is from this root word that the English language got the words, ignite, igneous and ignition. Agni was said to have the authority to forgive sins. Ashes were also believed to be symbolic for the purifying blood of the Vedic god Shiva, which it is said had the power to cleanse sins.

                    Lent

                    Lent is a period of 40 days preceding the observance of Easter, where the observers are expected to fast or cease from having the use of some other “luxury.” Like the majority of modern, so-called Christian practices, its beginning can be traced to heathen practices.
                    In his book The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop observed:

                    Let any one only read the atrocities that were commemorated during the ‘sacred fast’ or Pagan Lent, as described by Arnobius and Clemens Alexandrinus, and surely he must blush for the Christianity of those who, with the full knowledge of all these abominations, ‘went down to Egypt for help’ to stir up the languid devotion of the degenerate church, and who could find no more excellent way to ‘revive’ it, than by borrowing from so polluted a source; the absurdities and abominations connected with which the early Christian writers had held up to scorn. That Christians should ever think of introducing the Pagan abstinence of Lent was a sign of evil; it showed how low they had sunk, and it was also a cause of evil; it inevitably led to deeper degradation. Originally, even in Rome, Lent, with the preceding revelries of the carnival, was entirely unknown….

                    In the early 19th century, German explorer Alexander von Humboldt noted the practice among the pagans in Mexico, being held in the spring. His account states:

                    Three days after the vernal equinox…began a solemn fast of forty days in honour of the sun.

                    A Lent of forty days was also commemorated in Egypt. According to by English scholar John Landseer, in his Sabean Researches (1823), an Egyptian Lent of forty days was held in honor of Osiris.

                    There is a spiritual signature which bears witness to the spirit of these traditions. It is called Fat Tuesday, Shrove Tuesday or Mardi Gras. It is the custom of living it up to get our fill of all the enjoyment the world has to offer before setting off to “Church” in mock repentance on Ash Wednesday. Such celebrations are an indication of the spirit behind the facade.

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                    The Truth

                    Christ made it plain in John 4:23-24:

                    But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

                    To be sure, those who observe modern “Christian” practices are religious. They may have personal conviction, but they are missing a vital element of the faith. They are lacking truth.

                    Mark 7:7

                    Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

                    The Bible tells us in chapter 9 of the book of Hebrews, that we are made clean by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. No amount of ritual or work of the hand of man can accomplish this.

                    1st Peter 1:13-16 tells us:

                    Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

                    The word holy means set apart, different from the rest. If we keep traditions which are not of God, how can we be holy? From what then are we different if we do as they do?

                    Not everyone has the conviction nor the courage to be set apart from the rest of the world. The sad truth is that mainstream Christianity lost her way, having fallen into apostasy long ago. This apostate tradition is continued by priests, pastors and preachers, ordained not by God in the power of the Holy Spirit, but by men in the spirit of the world.

                    And their followers wouldn’t have it any other way.

                    © 2010 Craig Portwood http://davemosher.wordpress.com/2012...raig-portwood/



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                    • #85
                      buzzard, you are so right


                      The postmodern (Emerging, Emergent and Emergence) movements are growing by leaps and bounds within the Protestant denominations.

                      Many postmodern Protestant denominations (mainline/liberal as well as evangelical) are getting increasingly involved in Spiritual Formation (which quotes many Catholic mystics), as well as Ash Wednesday, Lent, Advent, and other liturgical “holy days” first practiced in Roman Catholicism.
                      For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

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                      • #86
                        I led our Wednesday night study last night and before we started, I made it a point to look at everyone. I announced I was checking to make sure we didn't have any ash students in the class. They all looked at me like I was crazy.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Buzzardhut View Post
                          Correct, Pastors need to be called out for bringing apostasy into their churches
                          I agree buzzard.



                          btw: many of the so called evangelical churches involved in promoting Ash wednesday and Lent in my town are (surprise, surprise) into Richard Foster and John Ortberg 's teachings
                          For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Jan51 View Post
                            I know the Bible talks about fasting, but I'm not convinced it "teaches" fasting.

                            http://www.truthortradition.com/ipho...faqs&Itemid=59
                            There are numerous verses I could quote. Here are two :Matthew ch6 v16 note use of the word "when" not "if" and 1 Corinthians ch 7 v5 .
                            There is of course the story of Jesus and Satan in the wilderness and many examples in the Old Testament where fasting was practiced

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                            • #89
                              We do Ash Wednesday, I see nothing wrong with it.....we use it to signify repentance. It is for us turn away from sin and to be faithful to Gospel.......

                              Not a watered down version of RCC. Be careful how you lump some churches together, because you do not know.

                              Prayer and fasting are seen throughout the Bible. We didn't do Fat Tuesday or whatever and all that other stuff, Mardi Gras, etc.

                              Our focus is solely on repentence, prayer and for some who feel led to do it, fasting.

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                              • #90
                                THats why I don't celebrate it. It isn't in the Bible and isn't scriptural, so I don't celebrate it.
                                The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen. (Revelation 22:21) ESV

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