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    I attended a speaking engagement with two friends last night at a big mega church. The speaker had rented the facility; this was not church sponsored. The building was beautiful, interior was immaculate with seating for approximately 1,000 people. As soon as we walked in, all three of us noticed the lack of a cross anywhere inside. Is this normal????????

  • #2
    it's normal for the seeker-sensitive, purpose drivel types.

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    • #3
      i agree

      yep i agree its normal for those who seek to worship how they want to who think that by attending church 3 times a week takes away there sins. Pray for them as jesus commanded. I dont think that everyone that goes to these types of churches is blind however alot of these mega churches pastors are, always wanting more and more gold. Ya know, hundreds of years ago the roman cathloic church said it was possible to pay for the forgiveness of sins. Not to worry we know who jesus is and what he did for us Pray for these people and as it is written sometimes the blind lead the blind and they both fall into a ditch. For the lord said in that day many will say Lord lord did we not prophesy in your name and cast out devils. And he will say, depart from me you worker on iniquity i never knew you. All we can do is pray and trust that it is in Jesus' hands. amen

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      • #4
        I was in Chuck Swindolls church in Plato Tx, 6 yrs ago now, met with him as I was traveling thru, but during his sermon, sorry I can't remember why he gave the reason they have no crosses in their building either, non in the worship hall at least..I found it odd then..

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        • #5
          The cross is an offense to those who refuse to see the necessity of it.

          It is becoming more common.

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          • #6
            I attended Willow Creek Church in the mid 70's when it was first new. Bill Hybels was in his twenties. It was a very small congregation, numbering less than 100 people. Since there was no church building, the congregation would meet in a local theatre - willow creek theatre, hence the church name. As the church grew, they found the theatre set-up very accomodating to their new way of giving a church service - through drama, live music, multimedia clips.

            It took them about 5 years to collect their church building fund. So when it came time for a church building to be designed, they adopted this theatre form. Having not had a cross or any other typical chrisitan church elements for 5 years, I think they decided to maintain this idea - that they didn't need a cross or other symbols in order to worship. As time passed, other seeker friendly churches followed this model.

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            • #7
              The one I just left had one in the sanctuary - made of white carpet contrasting with field of the blue carpet on the steps leading down from the stage where people stepped on it!:There's another one in another room - on the tile floor where people can step on it! Or maybe I'm just being sensitive?

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              • #8
                Feeling a little less like a freak now. We arrived 20 minutes before the presentation began. It took me that long to recover from the shock of the missing cross.

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                • #9
                  well, its been a long time since iposted here. (think i know why)

                  so there isnt a cross in the church means that it is not a Bible believing, God fearing, Jesus is the only way to salvation church?

                  seriously? listen to yourselves! Gateway Church, Southlake. Lifegate Church, Denton. The Villiage church, Hickory Creek, my own church.

                  these churches do not have the cross hanging up however there is absolutely NO FALSE teaching in any of these churches.

                  so instead of blasting these churches, go read the statement of faith and mission statement of thse places. their bilaws. and on top of that, church is where two or more gather in Jesus' name. not a building, so unless you carry a cross with you everwhere and display it when ever you witness or talk about Jesus you are all in the wrong too!

                  thanks

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by alrdyreg View Post
                    well, its been a long time since iposted here. (think i know why)

                    so there isnt a cross in the church means that it is not a Bible believing, God fearing, Jesus is the only way to salvation church?

                    seriously? listen to yourselves! Gateway Church, Southlake. Lifegate Church, Denton. The Villiage church, Hickory Creek, my own church.

                    these churches do not have the cross hanging up however there is absolutely NO FALSE teaching in any of these churches.

                    so instead of blasting these churches, go read the statement of faith and mission statement of thse places. their bilaws. and on top of that, church is where two or more gather in Jesus' name. not a building, so unless you carry a cross with you everwhere and display it when ever you witness or talk about Jesus you are all in the wrong too!

                    thanks
                    Maybe I could live with no cross, but when the only crosses are there are ones you can step on? I think some of the early churches didn't have crosses either. But I agree with HisBride - seeker-sensitive churches don't include the cross because it's an offense to unbelievers.

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                    • #11
                      It was not my intent to say this particular facility taught false doctrine. For the record, our family does not attend a physical church. We choose instead to worship and read the Bible together at home each day.

                      As a child, I attended churches of various denominations. I cannot remember a single one that DIDN'T have a cross in the sanctuary. I guess I just assumed I would see one when I walked in this sanctuary and it caught me off guard. This facility was far larger than anything I've ever been in.

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                      • #12
                        I wouldn't judge a church solely on the absence of a cross.

                        My first church was a large city fundamental Baptist Church, solid in doctrine.... and it had no cross. Why?

                        It was explained to me that the cross is merely a symbol, not an idol. And so there were no prominent crosses (except on the lids of the communion plates) to tempt a weaker brother into worshiping it, rather than Jesus Christ. Since I came from an Anglican background where there were crosses everywhere, and I was acquainted with RC idolatry, this made sense to me. Some Christians won't wear a cross as a charm on a necklace either, for the same reason, while others see nothing wrong with it.

                        If I were you, I would test the speaker for sound doctrine, and not worry so much about the absence of a symbol. Instead look for the absence of a complete Gospel, the whole Word preached, and Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected from the dead.

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                        • #13
                          I can understand why many associate a cross with a church but I also think it's a bit judgemental is it not? to assume that if the building doesn't have a cross that it automatically assumes that the church is heretic and doesn't preach a solid message of salvation? Is it that visible cross that makes the church a church or is it the message it teaches and the hearts of the believers that go to it that make it a church?

                          Maybe alrdyreg didn't exactly say it in the most friendly way...lol, but his rational is not far off. If one goes into the church and hears that heresy is being taught then by all means, call a spade a spade but until one actually hears improper doctrine being taught or the wrong Jesus being taught, is it really right to judge based on a cross being on the floor in the panels, or not present at all? Does the missing cross mean Jesus doesn't exist? I think we are allowing our own personal feelings to decide whether we think a church is right or wrong because there's no cross. Is there still the Gospel message being taught? If so then I don't understand what's wrong. I know when I was younger, our church for the longest time met in the gymnasium of a school, we didn't have a cross the whole time I was there but the full Gospel was taught every service and a call to salvation given every service.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nightelf View Post
                            I wouldn't judge a church solely on the absence of a cross.

                            My first church was a large city fundamental Baptist Church, solid in doctrine.... and it had no cross. Why?

                            It was explained to me that the cross is merely a symbol, not an idol. And so there were no prominent crosses (except on the lids of the communion plates) to tempt a weaker brother into worshiping it, rather than Jesus Christ. Since I came from an Anglican background where there were crosses everywhere, and I was acquainted with RC idolatry, this made sense to me. Some Christians won't wear a cross as a charm on a necklace either, for the same reason, while others see nothing wrong with it.

                            If I were you, I would test the speaker for sound doctrine, and not worry so much about the absence of a symbol. Instead look for the absence of a complete Gospel, the whole Word preached, and Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected from the dead.
                            Great post Nightelf, well said.

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                            • #15
                              When I walked around the church we now belong to, I was disappointed that the only crosses were more of a decorative sort and not the typical one I had grown up with. However, (I have know our Pastor for several years... but only as a "Pastor" for a year and a half now) now I realize that I was letting a symbol interfere with my judgement before I had even heard a sermon. Our church is very much Biblically based... and I have actually spoken to my Pastor about concerns of friends attending a charismatic church and another attending Lakewood. I was very impressed with his responses and advice. He is a HUGE believer in prayer- his next 3 or 4 sermons are going to be based on that alone!

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