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  • He admits it, he says just towards the end "there are those better equipped to say here's what scripture says, I don't think that's my calling"

    Joel admits it, it's not his calling to preach the scriptures, there are others out there better equipped to do this. Joel is a motivational speaker and nothing more.

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    • Originally posted by Christina View Post
      He admits it, he says just towards the end "there are those better equipped to say here's what scripture says, I don't think that's my calling"

      Joel admits it, it's not his calling to preach the scriptures, there are others out there better equipped to do this. Joel is a motivational speaker and nothing more.
      Then why even bother?

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      • Originally posted by TwinklingOfanEye View Post
        Then why even bother?
        Because to some people, being a pastor is a job. I read a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. where he said that he chose to be a preacher because he thought it was a noble profession.

        To others, being a pastor is akin to being a bigshot. Being in a leadership position, where everyone is looking up to you. It's nothing more than flesh and they don't see it as a calling from God.

        And still to others, they think they are doing God's work and they are not. They are blind to the fact that God did not call them to be pastors.

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        • Originally posted by TwinklingOfanEye View Post
          Then why even bother?
          If you listen to him talk about his father's ministry (it's on youtube) and how he worked behind the scenes...you'll hear how he didn't want to take his father's place, he didn't want to be in the light (quiet and shy according to his words) he comes right out and says that his wife encouraged him to do it saying he could be great, saying he had the ability to speak and move people that he would be great for the "position". I'm led to believe that it wasn't Joel's first choice but when he saw how many people he could bring in and the fame he could make off his books and such, he went for it and got caught up in the "glamour", now it's too late to turn back. He believes his calling is to encourage people in Christ, he's made comments before about how people are already beaten down that he feels they don't need to go to church and get beaten down too (that's what he calls it when pastors preach the hard message of sin, he calls it beating people down, discouraging people), like I said, he's a motivational speaker and nothing more.

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          • Originally posted by Musclecar1975 View Post
            Because to some people, being a pastor is a job. I read a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. where he said that he chose to be a preacher because he thought it was a noble profession.

            To others, being a pastor is akin to being a bigshot. Being in a leadership position, where everyone is looking up to you. It's nothing more than flesh and they don't see it as a calling from God.
            Sounds like an ego trip to me.

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            • Originally posted by Christina View Post
              If you listen to him talk about his father's ministry (it's on youtube) and how he worked behind the scenes...you'll hear how he didn't want to take his father's place, he didn't want to be in the light (quiet and shy according to his words) he comes right out and says that his wife encouraged him to do it saying he could be great, saying he had the ability to speak and move people that he would be great for the "position". I'm led to believe that it wasn't Joel's first choice but when he saw how many people he could bring in and the fame he could make off his books and such, he went for it and got caught up in the "glamour", now it's too late to turn back. He believes his calling is to encourage people in Christ, he's made comments before about how people are already beaten down that he feels they don't need to go to church and get beaten down too (that's what he calls it when pastors preach the hard message of sin, he calls it beating people down, discouraging people), like I said, he's a motivational speaker and nothing more.
              Christina,

              Yep, I agree. I think it was just too easy as he inherited his father's following and then he saw how folks embraced him....more and more until he built the big church. Then after that all the fame and fortune and prestige. I believe he did not want it at first, but as you say just got caught up in it. Essentially he came to believe his own lie, and he had enough folks around him to benefit so they encouraged him to go for it.

              I was also thinking, because I do see in some ways the sincerity in Joels appeal (though not biblical), but you know just as a person who believes he is doing the right thing...so I think perhaps God may turn the tables on him. If Joel has any real faith and truth buried somewhere under all the fluff, then there should be a real torment going on inside. Again, not something we can see, but you know, like wrestling with the Devil & God at the same time. If this is happening or should happen to him and God lead him to stand up on Sunday and finally declare the truth, then possibly out of some 10,000 attendee's or whatever, there will remain a few saved souls. God does work wonders you know.

              Or, perhaps after the Rapture, Joel will be one of those who come to such a repentance that he is able to lead others through the trib. Again, all of this is just my thoughts on why he has been allowed to amass such a following and continue to flourish. We know that God uses everything to his greater good and purpose. Maybe Joel will one day write "The Purpose Driven TRUTH"!

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              • Its a job

                Originally posted by Musclecar1975 View Post
                Because to some people, being a pastor is a job. I read a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. where he said that he chose to be a preacher because he thought it was a noble profession.

                To others, being a pastor is akin to being a bigshot. Being in a leadership position, where everyone is looking up to you. It's nothing more than flesh and they don't see it as a calling from God.

                And still to others, they think they are doing God's work and they are not. They are blind to the fact that God did not call them to be pastors.
                I read one of Joel Osteen's books where he explained that he was "the behind the scenes guy" for his father who was the pastor of the church for years. In fact, I believe his father founded the church.

                But when his father passed away, so did the job security of those who were "behind the scenes."

                I'm not saying that J.O. decided to preach for that reason (to save his paycheck), but he shouldn't be preaching at all if he feels he is less than skilled in preaching God's Word properly. The fact that he somewhat admits that he is less than properly trained in God's Word tells me he has put himself in a pickle. He can't resign and he shouldn't continue.

                Perhaps the best way to deal with the problem is to get back "behind the scenes" and have the ministry hire a qualified, trained, experienced pastor to take the podium???

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                • wow. His so called message leaves out the slightest mention of God.

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                  • Can Joel Osteen help you pay your bills? (CNN 12-18-09 article)

                    speaking of the word of faith grifters since I brought up Parsley earlier:


                    this is complete with osteen in his own words (on the link below)

                    p.s. I am not responsible for the 30 second pop up ads before the video

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                    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/18/romans.osteen/


                    Christine Romans looks at the balance between faith and finances on "In God We Trust" at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on CNN.

                    Houston, Texas (CNN) -- Joel Osteen strides into the former Compaq Center. Some 20,000 people are standing and singing. Purple lights softly pulse across the ceiling, and mist floats around two giant screens flashing words to the songs.

                    It's not a pulpit but a podium. It's not an altar but a stage. There is no cross. Instead a huge globe spins, and two massive bubbling creeks flank the stage. A lighting system softens distant corners of the massive arena and spreads colored light and smoke in strategic spots. Somehow, the space that will hold 40,000-plus on Sunday morning doesn't feel like a sports arena.

                    In the control room, producers watch multiple camera angles and feeds.

                    Smiling broadly, Osteen bounds up the few stairs to the stage, closes his eyes, lifts his hands and leads a prayer.



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                    "God, I'm going to start this week off in faith. Expecting your goodness. Expecting to have a blessed and a prosperous week. Amen. Well, God bless you. Give him your very best today."

                    Welcome to Sunday morning at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas.


                    It's reportedly the nation's largest congregation and probably one of the most diverse places in America. One third of these churchgoers are Hispanic, one-third African-American and a quarter white. There are dozens of nationalities.

                    Osteen will give this sermon twice. He later said he knows immediately which segments to edit together into a sermon that will air on television to millions three weeks later.

                    Between services, he is signing his most recent book in the lobby, just past the bookstore that is one of the highest-grossing Christian bookstores in America.

                    His wife, Victoria, is co-pastor of the church and a best-selling author in her own right. In fact, the Osteens are not paid to be pastors at Lakewood, according to the church, but they live off the considerable proceeds of their books. Joel Osteen's advance for "It's Your Time," his third book, an instant best-seller, was $12 million, according to the church.

                    Settled into the pastor's suite after two Sunday services and book signings, Osteen explains why he is telling people it's the time to "thrive."

                    "I tell them that this is not the time to get discouraged or put your life on hold and really to be talked into having a down year," Osteen said.

                    "I really believe that fear is contagious, that worry and anxiety ... if you let that get into you long enough, it almost paralyzes you."

                    "So if you get talked into saying, 'Well, I'm just going to survive this year and make it and not get laid off,' I believe you draw more negativity in, versus if you get up and say, 'OK, yes, we're not in denial the economy is terrible, stuff's not going great, but I believe that God calls me to be at the right place at the right time' and you know put your faith out there -- don't have a survival mentality, believe that you can thrive."

                    That message is resonating. His publisher, Simon & Schuster, said some 850,000 copies of "It's Your Time" are already in print.

                    Osteen shrugs off criticism from mainstream Protestants, evangelicals and others who call Lakewood Christianity lite, more showbiz than theology -- a religious Disneyland, where after the "ride," the doors open into the gift shop to buy books DVDs, calendars and all things Osteen.

                    "I'm not a debater," he said, shrugging. He said he's been called to deliver God's message to as many people as possible, and God gave him a unique set of gifts to do so.

                    One of those gifts is the ability to market brand Osteen across multiple media: podcasts, Twitter, books, DVDs, CDs and television. He produced his father's telecasts for years and stepped into the spotlight after his death. Osteen's expertise behind the camera has taken his father's church to a stratospheric level.

                    Osteen's supporters and associates suggest mainstream Christian mistrust of his success may be as much jealousy as theology.

                    "Have you been to church in America recently?" one aide said. "They put on a funeral. If you put on a funeral every week, eventually people stop coming."

                    Osteen's is the largest, but according to Hartford Seminary, there are 1,350 megachurches in the country, and they are spreading, while more traditional Christian churches struggle to fill the pews.

                    "What megachurches represent for good or bad is the world that we live in," said Scott Thumma, a sociology of religion professor at the Hartfold Seminary in Connecticut.

                    "I don't think it is the only form of religion that is going to survive into the future; I think there is also a very strong place for small intimate worship settings, like house churches and small cell churches. But the megachurch is appealing and attracting people for a reason; it parallels the experience that we have with rock concerts and sports arenas and the mall."

                    Joel and Victoria Osteen appear profoundly, unfailingly positive. On the screen that recent Sunday are these words -- God plans to prosper you and not harm you.

                    "I don't believe it's just money -- money is a part of it -- but prosper is to give you a good life, meaning good relationships, and give you health," Osteen said, explaining the "prosper" phrase comes from the Book of Jeremiah. It's to "give you a good job and money to pay your bills and do other things, but you know I encourage people to have a prosperous mindset." Osteen said.

                    Osteen is often characterized, and criticized, for being a "prosperity preacher."

                    "I don't like to be called a prosperity minister because I think in most people's minds that don't know me they think, 'Well, all he talks about is money,' " Osteen said, "Which I don't, I talk about being blessed in so many different ways."

                    Yet he does offer advice about finances and he has some experience. Osteen said Lakewood still has $40 million to pay off on $100 million he borrowed to convert Compaq Center from a basketball arena into a church.

                    In "It's Your Time," he writes, "If you have a burden of heavy debt, you need to announce to that debt, 'It is finished.' Look at that house payment. 'It is finished.' Look at that college loan. 'It is finished.' Look at those unpaid bills. 'It is finished.' "

                    Can God really wipe out your debts?

                    "It starts ... with the vision that you have to believe that God can help you to get out of debt to fulfill your dreams," Osteen said. "I don't think anything is going to happen if you don't believe, so I think that's where you start."

                    And what of the Bible verse that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven? Or that Jesus preached his followers to give up all their belongings and follow him?

                    "Years back at least, you know you had to be poor and to show you were holy," Osteen said. "You're supposed to sacrifice everything, and I'm all for sacrifice and I believe in that, but I also believe that God wants us to be leaders. He's put gifts and talents in every person, that they're supposed to come out to the full."
                    For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Matthew 6:21)

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                    • I have watched him a few times and he says a lot about nothing other than himself and his family. A great disappointment when he could accomplish so much.

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                      • Billefan,

                        You are on a role this morning!

                        Get them hosed, exposed and closed!

                        Good work on the posts!

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                        • Originally posted by Cherished View Post
                          Did you heart hat pathetic toxic waste about how to live the Christian life? To become better people we should

                          1) Have a positive attitude toward ourselves- (because sin is so offensive...we all have such beautiful potential yaknow)


                          2) Develop better relationships..(but he fails to mention the only relationship that has the capability to produce change and better "us"es....Hmm...Jesus ...)



                          3) Embrace where we are: ( yes, and if we listen to him, we most likely are on the wide road leading straight to hell..how caring of him)


                          This man is dangerous. He may look innocent enough with his charm and blinding smile.. but he is a huge cause I am sure for the propagation of such a false and insidious gospel. It is the gospel of satan, lit on fire by hell itself. It sickens me. False security is what this man sells. But then again, wolves in sheep's clothing have to be good at that, don't they?
                          I would like to say his 3 pieces of advice I live by!

                          1. I have a very postive attitude that the L-rd will take me home. I have a postive attitude that the L-rd will lead me from sin. I have a positive attitude that sin is what men like him are made of.

                          2.I have developed a healthy relationship... with Jesus. Period. I suppose if I had an agent, and an accountant like his I would consider branching out.

                          3. I have a full embrace that I am stuck on this rock floating in space waiting for my Father. Its fun to embrace pointless stuff....like love of money while visiting this place, but he seems to enjoy it more than others. He sure likes to misdirect people into thinking we can fix ourselves.



                          I have a very dry sense of humor... sorry.

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                          • Originally posted by TwinklingOfanEye View Post
                            But yet all his followers, the congregation, they can't see it? <------ Seriously tho. How come they can't discern?
                            Perhaps the itching ears has got them bothered...
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                            • Can Joel Osteen help you pay your bills?

                              I know CCN isn'r really reliable news anymore. But I couldn't help but post this as it is a dangerous position on true faith.

                              http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/18/rom...een/index.html
                              http://gracethrufaith.com/

                              http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm

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                              • Originally posted by LindaLee View Post
                                Perhaps the itching ears has got them bothered...
                                Odd, i sense something is wrong the moment he opens his mouth.

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