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  • Bapticatholic

    ..is a new term I learned today.

    The term "Bapticatholic" refers to those Baptists who support Roman Catholic faith and/or practice. This term can also refer to Baptists who seek to "link up" with the Roman Catholic Church in various ways, such as the Baptists Billy Graham, the late Jerry Falwell, and Rick Warren.

    A Bapticatholic generally downplays any purported differences between Roman Catholic and Baptist faith and practice. Instead, any real Catholic vs. Baptist differences are often overlooked by such Bapticatholics in the name of "Ecumenical Unity".
    Source: http://bapticatholic.com/

    I don't typically support the labelling of people into sterotypes, but if the shoe fits, they might as well wear it. The problems with labelling usually arise when care has not been taken to being sure that the term applied fits exactly to the person or group that it is being applied.
    "I do not seek to understand that I may believe, but I believe that I may understand: for this I also believe, that unless I believe I will not understand." --Anselm of Canterbury

    Hebrews 12:3-4
    For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

  • #2
    Why don't they just admit it....they're all really Catholics at heart.

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    • #3
      blasphemy envy

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      • #4
        Hmmm, hadn't heard that term before, but I can see it happening. Our church is non-denominational, but 2 years ago, one of the attendees suggested we start doing an "Advent Candle" lighting, starting 4 weeks before Christmas. I felt really uneasy about it, and finally last night, forwarded something I had found about the practice of celebrating Advent invading Evangelical churches, to our pastor's wife. She responded back that it had bothered her also, but didn't know that anyone else felt the same way about it, as no one has said anything to her or PT. I did a quick Google search, and found that it was indeed started by the RCC, which I thought that it was. The things I see happening in main stream denominations is so sad, to realize that so many have itching ears and preachers willing to tickle them There is such a lack of discernment. A couple of years ago, while waiting in my doctor's office, I read an article in Newsweek of an interview with Billy Graham. It confirmed something I've felt for some time~~that he's drifted from where he once stood~~and it was very sad to read what he had to say

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        • #5
          I've been having problems finding a church because of this "ecumenism" movement.

          I'm attending a Baptist church right now...it seems basically sound, and the people are very nice and caring. But they're doing the advent wreath thing...not sure if I should move on just on that account and give up the many positives I've seen...

          I just don't know what to think. I know NO church has perfect doctrine, and if I waited for the perfect church with perfect people who never make mistakes, I'd never find a church.

          On the other hand, bringing in Catholic rituals can lead to a very slippery slope, KWIM??

          :hairout It's driving me crazy!!

          My question to everyone is where is the line crossed? How does one discern when errors are trivial? The bible does say that we shouldn't cause divisions in the Body of Christ on "disputable matters..." Not sure of the scripture reference for that...

          I guess I'm asking for some input on what ya'll think are "disputable matters..."

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          • #6
            It's a tough call, Abigail. My family and I attended one church that we thought was going along just fine, scripturally. Until the pastor stopped preaching in an expository manner. Then we began to allow Catholic Easter traditions. Then Harry Potter appeared before the service on the power point. When I met with him about my concerns he proceeded to tell me that people are inspired by various elements, listing stained glass windows, candles, meditative poses, mantras, etc. It was time to leave. Having a background in Roman Catholicism it was the last thing I wanted to go back to.

            Trust the Lord to show you. One thing may not be a deal breaker, but if a pattern begins to emerge, I would be alarmed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Abigail View Post
              I guess I'm asking for some input on what ya'll think are "disputable matters..."
              Disputable matters: that Jesus is the ONLY Way to God.

              That may seem too simple, but look at all the garbage these churches are allowing. Candles, meditation, mantras, being slain in the spirit, the-latest-fad Bible studies, singing popular songs, spiritual art -- all those are supposedly going to set the "atmosphere" and get one closer to God. But they are actually works of the flesh and have no place in the reconciliation of man to God.

              Things that IMO don't matter:
              how long a woman's hair is
              which translation of the Bible is used (NOT a paraphrase)
              women wear / don't wear head scarves
              women speak / don't speak (utter a sound) in the church

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              • #8
                The term "Bapticatholic", (also called "Bapti-Catholic"), is related to the term "New Evangelical". Bapticatholics and other New Evangelicals are part of the "Ecumenical Movement", a movement to bring all religions together under The Great Roman Catholic Whore in preparation for his unveiling of the Antichrist spoken of in the Book of Revelation.
                A Bapticatholic is an Apostate
                How about the Charismatic Catholics praying to mary in tongues?



                Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Buzzardhut View Post
                  A Bapticatholic is an Apostate
                  How about the Charismatic Catholics praying to mary in tongues?
                  Okay, now you did it. The Charismatic Catholics aren't going to be happy with the way you are making fun of their favorite pastime. You know that they believe that she is the one true god!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnnOdom44 View Post
                    Hmmm, hadn't heard that term before, but I can see it happening. Our church is non-denominational, but 2 years ago, one of the attendees suggested we start doing an "Advent Candle" lighting, starting 4 weeks before Christmas. I felt really uneasy about it, and finally last night, forwarded something I had found about the practice of celebrating Advent invading Evangelical churches, to our pastor's wife. She responded back that it had bothered her also, but didn't know that anyone else felt the same way about it, as no one has said anything to her or PT. I did a quick Google search, and found that it was indeed started by the RCC, which I thought that it was. The things I see happening in main stream denominations is so sad, to realize that so many have itching ears and preachers willing to tickle them There is such a lack of discernment. A couple of years ago, while waiting in my doctor's office, I read an article in Newsweek of an interview with Billy Graham. It confirmed something I've felt for some time~~that he's drifted from where he once stood~~and it was very sad to read what he had to say
                    My church is non-denom. too & started doing the advent thing back in..`01 i think? I've been feeling for a long time that its time for me to move on & find a new church. Now I'm making it my #1 new years goal !

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 4evrHis View Post
                      My church is non-denom. too & started doing the advent thing back in..`01 i think? I've been feeling for a long time that its time for me to move on & find a new church. Now I'm making it my #1 new years goal !
                      good idea



                      Revelation 22:17a The Spirit and Bride are now saying, "Come!" The ones who hear are now saying, "Come!" The ones who thirst are now saying, "Come!" so come LORD Jesus !
                      Buzzardhut.net |The Watch Parables | The Rapture | Romans | The Virgin Mary | Roman Catholicism
                      Never Heard of Jesus? | The Evidence Bible | Tent Meeting | The Beast/666 | The Kingdom of Darkness | The Nephilim

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                      • #12
                        Bapticatholic, LOL! I hadn't heard that one before, it sounds a lot like "athiebeliever" to me

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                        • #13
                          Question,
                          In reading parts of this thread I have a couple of major questions. What is wrong with celebrating or lighting Advent candles? I attend a presbyerian pca church, conservative denomination, and we also incorporate the advent wrath/candles and utilize it to portray the christmas message. Granted it did have a start in roman catholicism. Granted it is a ritual and tradition that we do but what is wrong with that? Nowhere in scripture does it say that all tradition is wrong. Tradition is only wrong when it trumps or goes against the clear teaching of scripture i.e. when it contradicts scripture. Another way it is wrong is when a tradition is not found in scripture, nor is taught against (such as lighting advent candles), and someone says that all people are required to keep the tradition, as happens in roman catholicism. If my church chooses to keep that tradition there is nothing wrong with it nor is it being apostate. We do it to remind us of the birth of Christ and the story of His birth etc... That is our main focus in the advent tradition.

                          If some are so against all roman catholic traditions that do not go against scripture I have a few questions for you.

                          1) Do you keep the tradition of celebrating christmas??? Where is that in scripture? Where is the date of Jesus' birth mentioned? Does the celebration of christmas not arise from pagan traditions and did not the roman catholic church "christianize" christmas from being a pagan holiday to a christian one?

                          So therefore if you celebrate christmas how is that any different than lighting an advent wreath? Both are traditions not found in scripture so are you not then being inconsistant if you decry the lighting of an advent wreath but celebrate christmas??

                          2) What of easter? The same point is that originally it was a pagan holiday that was christianized. Why do we not always celebrate it the same time as Jewish passover since that is when Jesus died on the cross. The celebration of easter is also a roman catholic tradition buit we celebrate it as well, and at the same time the roman catholics do? Are you not being inconsistant and a "baptocatholic" by celebrating it?

                          3) What about traditions that your church does? For example does it have an altar call? If it does is that not a tradition? Where is scripture are we told to have them at the end of a church service? Also the term "altar" call stems from roman catholicism since that is the area of the church is where the priest in roman catholicism "performs" his "ministry" during the roman mass. To be consistant the term "altar" should not be used.

                          The reason for the above post is not to incite an argument but rather to ask you to think about what you are really saying. It is a terrible thing to label a church as apostate or seeking another church for holding to a tradition that is not condemned by scripture. It is just as wrong to say that one MUST not adhere to a certain tradition as it is to say they must.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 5 solas View Post
                            Question,
                            In reading parts of this thread I have a couple of major questions. What is wrong with celebrating or lighting Advent candles? <snip>

                            1) Do you keep the tradition of celebrating christmas??? Where is that in scripture? Where is the date of Jesus' birth mentioned? Does the celebration of christmas not arise from pagan traditions and did not the roman catholic church "christianize" christmas from being a pagan holiday to a christian one?
                            Yes, Christmas and Easter certainly have their roots as pagan holidays. My family does celebrate them and we use them as a time to reflect on the Lord, but we do not worship the Christmas tree or idols or candles or Easter eggs, etc. I don't think anyone sees lighting candles on an advent wreath as unholy or anything, if you like doing it and you use it as a reason to read from scripture then what's the harm? As long as you don't bow down and start worshipping the wreath I think the main gripe is that some churches get so involved in rituals that they forget why they exist in the first place- to emphasize the importance of Christ in our lives and help us in our walk with Him. 10,000 hail mary's will help a person to Christ about as much as getting mail out of the mail box.

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                            • #15
                              Tres,
                              I totally agree many churches can get so involved in rituals, or even politics as evidenced by another thread, that they can forget the real reason we are here: to Glorify God and enjoy Him forever and to affect the world in such a way that they give glory to God as well and come to he who can only save their souls.

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