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Anymomentnow
June 21st, 2012, 08:44 AM
I was recently having this discussion with some friends at bible study.
They are all avid Facebook users and sing the praises of this new social media.
My concern, and it is only a concern not a hard and fast position(yet) is that most of what I see on Facebook is "look at me, look at me, look at me".
So much of what is posted even by Christians is done for the sole purpose of bringing attention to self.

The Apostle Paul warned us in the last days that a clear sign would be that mankind would be on a "lover of self " epidemic.
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, (2 Timothy 3:1, 2 NKJV)

The following article is interesting and raises some other valid concerns regarding Facebook.
I am generally interested to hear what others think on this topic.
Blessings in Him,
Anymomentnow

Should Christians Be on*Facebook?
FROM R.C. Sproul Jr. May 27, 2010 Category: Articles

Should Christians be on Facebook? What about all the privacy issues that are in the news these*days?

I sometimes wonder if the devil doesnít take great pleasure in irony, in watching us turn ourselves inside out while missing the point. While I am on Facebook, and therefore at least hold to a tentative conviction that such is allowable for Christians, there are any number of reasons to raise concerns over it. Privacy and the lack thereof, however, would likely be the last one I would raise. With Facebookís very public and controversial announcement of its change in policy with respect to privacy, that, however, is what has many Christians concerned. How, I wonder, can a person take a technology that exists to say to the watching world, ďHere I am. Come see about meĒ complain that the world is coming to see about them? Anyone who wishes more privacy can find such easily enough. Donít use Facebook. If you already do, stop. We are in a moral uproar for all the wrong reasons. We are aghast at the owners of Facebook for daring to change their policy (which, remember, the original policy held out as at their discretion) rather than being appalled at ourselves for implicitly breaking the 8th Commandment. We think because we are a user of Facebook that such makes us an owner of Facebook, and so demand this and demand that from the real*owners.

That said, here are some very real concerns I have about Facebook. First, has it become a god to us? When God commands that we have no other godís before Him He doesnít mean ranked higher than Him, but rather He means in His presence. If Facebook is too needful for you, you may need to stop. Second, has it become a graven image? Have you confused its reality with real reality? Do you really think you have 200 friends? Third, have you taken the Lordís name in vain? That is, have you, in weaker moments, put a bad face publicly on your Christian witness? Are you laughing at your old sins with that old buddy from college or high*school?

Fourth, is Facebook giving me the peace of the Lord, or agitating me? (And please note the very real difference between that peace that passes understanding and that ďpeaceĒ we receive when we feed a habit, when we get a fix.) Am I jumpy when I donít get to log on? Am I more keyed up after Iíve logged off? Fifth, am I honoring those in authority over me? Wives, are you failing to honor your husbands because youíre too busy reading about your friends? Children, are you failing to honor your parents because youíre too busy sending*flair?

Sixth, is this technology honoring to life? The cyberworld can be a barren wasteland, not because it is filled with pornography and gambling, but because it isnít real, because it is Gnostic. Seventh, are you loving your spouse on Facebook? Is the rush of nostalgia from finding long lost friends encouraging you to be dissatisfied? Are you secretly looking for that old girlfriend? Are you already caught up in adultery simply by wishing you could be sixteen again? Or do you not know that Facebook can all too easily devolve into relational pornography? The allure of porn is that you think you can have the joys of the sexual union without having to have a real relationship with a real person. The allure of Facebook is much the same. Eighth, are you stealing from your employer by not giving a full days work because you are moonlighting at Farmville, or as a Mafia Don? Or, simply because you are spending your hours at work at*play?

Ninth, are you lying? That is, is the you you present on Facebook the real you? This technology has an insidious capacity to both hide reality and fool us into thinking we are both showing and seeing it. Why are our updates all about our victories- I just made cookies for the family; My son just hit the game winning home run; rather than our failures- I just shouted at my little girl; I left my computer on the airplane and itís gone? Keep a particularly close eye on this one. And tenth, is Facebook encouraging contentment or resentment? Are you coveting your neighborís friend count? Are you jealous of how many ďlikesĒ there are for his posts compared to yours? And are you content with the real life you are shutting out while hunched over your*keyboard?

Please donít misunderstand this little thought experiment. I suspect we could walk through the Ten Commandments in light of our church, and find many of the same temptations. That doesnít mean you should stay away from church. It does mean we ought to be deliberate enough to know what we are doing, and why we are doing it. And deliberate begins by affirming that our own hearts are not just desperately wicked, but deceitful as well. We donít need to protect our privacy. We need instead to expose our sins to the light, the light of Scripture that we might repent and believe, that His face might shine upon*us.

IbelieveinJesus
June 21st, 2012, 09:06 AM
I use Facebook to keep up with family and friends, share photos, that sort of thing.

I believe the last time I posted there was a few weeks ago where I posted a video of my daughter at a horsey competition, and thought that her grandmother, who shares the same interest, would be interested in that.

From what I can gather, most of those whom I have listed as "friends" tend to use it in the same way. I did have a friend in College who seemed to use it exclusively to post about his atheism or gayness. I defriended him, not necessarily because of either of those two issues, but because political debates really aren't the reason I use Facebook.

I suppose any tool is susceptible to corruption or abuse, I bet when the telephone was introduced there were concerns about people becoming addicted to that, however, I see nothing inherently wrong or sinful with using Facebook.

Of course this is based on my experience, the writer of the article in the op, seems to have experiences that are different than mine..

-Ted

Buzzardhut
June 21st, 2012, 09:07 AM
As a witness and presenter of Jesus? Of course!




Should Christians Be on*Facebook?
FROM R.C. Sproul Jr. May 27, 2010 Category: Articles

Should Christians be on Facebook?
Just good 'ole Sproul trying to drudge up some old fashioned calvinist guilt. :badscore

Also a rehashing on the arguments for/against MySpace.

jadeeyes
June 21st, 2012, 09:24 AM
Pretty much everything in the world can be used for evil. People use baseball bats to bludgeon others, but the bat is not evil and my husband and I never banned the appropriate use of baseball bats by our children. It's the hearts of sinful men that are evil and that is why we humans can always find a way to sin using even the most benign objects.

Buzzardhut
June 21st, 2012, 09:33 AM
I was recently having this discussion with some friends at bible study.
They are all avid Facebook users and sing the praises of this new social media.
My concern, and it is only a concern not a hard and fast position(yet) is that most of what I see on Facebook is "look at me, look at me, look at me".
So much of what is posted even by Christians is done for the sole purpose of bringing attention to self.yes, FB is for the narcissistic entitled "Me" generation.

I wonder, can a person take a technology that exists to say to the watching world, “Here I am. Come see about me” complain that the world is coming to see about them? Anyone who wishes more privacy can find such easily enough. Don’t use Facebook. If you already do, stop. We are in a moral uproar for all the wrong reasons. We are aghast at the owners of Facebook for daring to change their policy (which, remember, the original policy held out as at their discretion) rather than being appalled at ourselves for implicitly breaking the 8th Commandment. We think because we are a user of Facebook that such makes us an owner of Facebook, and so demand this and demand that from the real*owners.doesn't have to be that way, FB is neutral; you can make it a family album to share with visitors or sell a product, ideology, or even a witnessing tool.


That said, here are some very real concerns I have about Facebook. First, has it become a god to us? When God commands that we have no other god’s before Him He doesn’t mean ranked higher than Him, but rather He means in His presence. If Facebook is too needful for you, you may need to stop. Second, has it become a graven image? Have you confused its reality with real reality? Do you really think you have 200 friends? Third, have you taken the Lord’s name in vain? That is, have you, in weaker moments, put a bad face publicly on your Christian witness? Are you laughing at your old sins with that old buddy from college or high*school?has the ideology like calvinism become a god? everything in moderation is acceptable, the fine line is use going into abuse.


Fourth, is Facebook giving me the peace of the Lord, or agitating me? (And please note the very real difference between that peace that passes understanding and that “peace” we receive when we feed a habit, when we get a fix.) Am I jumpy when I don’t get to log on? Am I more keyed up after I’ve logged off? Fifth, am I honoring those in authority over me? Wives, are you failing to honor your husbands because you’re too busy reading about your friends? Children, are you failing to honor your parents because you’re too busy sending*flair?How about too busy getting caught up in church programs and activities to cultivate a nurtured relationship with God and family?


Sixth, is this technology honoring to life? The cyberworld can be a barren wasteland, not because it is filled with pornography and gambling, but because it isn’t real, because it is Gnostic. Seventh, are you loving your spouse on Facebook? Is the rush of nostalgia from finding long lost friends encouraging you to be dissatisfied? Are you secretly looking for that old girlfriend? Are you already caught up in adultery simply by wishing you could be sixteen again? Or do you not know that Facebook can all too easily devolve into relational pornography? The allure of porn is that you think you can have the joys of the sexual union without having to have a real relationship with a real person. The allure of Facebook is much the same. Eighth, are you stealing from your employer by not giving a full days work because you are moonlighting at Farmville, or as a Mafia Don? Or, simply because you are spending your hours at work at*play?
We can get caught up in anything of the world and even the church, always need balance.


Ninth, are you lying? That is, is the you you present on Facebook the real you? This technology has an insidious capacity to both hide reality and fool us into thinking we are both showing and seeing it. Why are our updates all about our victories- I just made cookies for the family; My son just hit the game winning home run; rather than our failures- I just shouted at my little girl; I left my computer on the airplane and it’s gone? Keep a particularly close eye on this one. And tenth, is Facebook encouraging contentment or resentment? Are you coveting your neighbor’s friend count? Are you jealous of how many “likes” there are for his posts compared to yours? And are you content with the real life you are shutting out while hunched over your*keyboard?People like hearing good news, the media gives us bad news, once again, balance


Please don’t misunderstand this little thought experiment. I suspect we could walk through the Ten Commandments in light of our church, and find many of the same temptations. That doesn’t mean you should stay away from church. It does mean we ought to be deliberate enough to know what we are doing, and why we are doing it. And deliberate begins by affirming that our own hearts are not just desperately wicked, but deceitful as well. We don’t need to protect our privacy. We need instead to expose our sins to the light, the light of Scripture that we might repent and believe, that His face might shine upon*us.Depends on how far he is going with this here.......confess all your sins on FB :twitch


Pretty much everything in the world can be used for evil. People use baseball bats to bludgeon others, but the bat is not evil and my husband and I never banned the appropriate use of baseball bats by our children. It's the hearts of sinful men that are evil and that is why we humans can always find a way to sin using even the most benign objects.

Correct, you can use your van to take your friends to work or run your neighbor over.

Another good point on FB is exposing and sharing your Christian and political beliefs in a way it cannot be misunderstood by others. I actually made close friendships on FB with high school and college acquaintances because we have salvation and conservatism in common; would have never happened without FB.

But if you are worried about your future employment because of your party pics you have bigger problems than FB.

Dan the Elder
June 21st, 2012, 09:53 AM
I have been around computers even before Bill Gates or Al Gore, and I've been a Christian for
many years now. Someone at our church opened a facebook account for the church and
wanted me to "contribute" to it. In order to do that, I needed a "facebook account". I also
had it in my mind that I could use it as sort of a "ministry".

I was wary of google prior to this, and would not use their "search engine" or software in any
way. I knew they were recording your keystrokes / internet selections, etc. and soon had a
book on your location and primary interests (which they could market to advertixing agencies).
Every computer has its own unique "address" and once they have your address they have your
information. While I was on facebook, I was appalled at the things people would reveal about
themselves and their families. After a while, really, nothing is hidden (and believe me it's being
recorded. Just within the last couple weeks, facebook obtained "face recognition" technology.
(supposedly this is to automate the "tagging" of photos on facebook, but it could be used in
many other ways.) If they have you "tagged" on facebook and it goes into the "collective
database", believe me, they really do have you "tagged"!!!

I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" but I am a realist. I believe there is "collaboration" between all
the "social networks" and the government. There is a new NSA (national security agency) compound
in Neb., or Nev. that has just recently been set up. Their "mission" is not really known.

This may come as a shock, but I also have strong "political opinions" and let them be known on
various "news websites". All of a sudden, I was no longer able to post or have an account.

I'm not concerned about myself, they should know by now that I'm a "Fanatic Christian", and where
I live. It's very possible that one day they might come after me. I am concerned for members of my
family. I take exception to anyone "making book" or "stalking" my grandchildren.

I cancelled my facebook account earlier this year. It wasn't a "spiritual conviction" but a practical one.

All I'm suggesting is that you be very cautious what you enter on the internet. If it's something
you wouldn't want everyone to know, you probably shouldn't enter it. Just Sayin ~~~

God Bless, Dan :hat

RaptureReady_7
June 21st, 2012, 09:56 AM
Facebook is no different than any other social gathering. People will act the way they do, have relationships they do whether face to face or online.

Mankind's fallen nature dictates how one thinks or behaves, not a bunch of data on a server. People on facebook exist in real life, shaped by their lives and their relationship with or not with Christ.

So I know Christians will act as they do, in whatever manner they do, whether on or off facebook.

Robinbobbin
June 21st, 2012, 09:57 AM
This is what I see on FB - yes. There is some "look at me, look at me, look at me". Yes, there is some political ranting (and even some religious ranting). Just like in real life. But, the fact that I can post pictures of my kids, limit them to select people (think the grandparents, aunts and uncles and close friends who live far away) instead of having to e-mail each person and deal with their spam filter settings or the fact that they can't open attachments, the fact that I can keep up with the younger generation of my relatives who travel extensively for work and live throughout the country as well as S. America. Could I pick up the phone? Sure. And, I do. But for the in-between times its fun to see what they're up to.

Those who use it for narcassistic or ranting purposes - I defriend them. Those who annoy me, I hide them. It's up to me how I filter them, just like it's up to me In real life to use discernment in who I choose to be friends with and spend my time with.

I don't think this is a Christian/Non-Christian thing. I think we as Christians risk getting into the "I'm More Christian Than You Are" trap when we go into life with that mindset and risk judging other Christians who choose to use it. All tools can be used for good or evil depending on the person's intentions.

That said, there ARE major issues with FB and I am pretty creeped out by their new facial recognition software. Since I use it predominantly for photos, there's a pretty good chance I'm going to stop posting anything on there because it's becoming far too "Big Brother" like.

Buzzardhut
June 21st, 2012, 10:00 AM
I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" but I am a realist. I believe there is "collaboration" between all
the "social networks" and the government. There is a new NSA (national security agency) compound
in Neb., or Nev. that has just recently been set up. Their "mission" is not really known.

This may come as a shock, but I also have strong "political opinions" and let them be known on
various "news websites". All of a sudden, I was no longer able to post or have an account.

I'm not concerned about myself, they should know by now that I'm a "Fanatic Christian", and where
I live. It's very possible that one day they might come after me. I am concerned for members of my
family. I take exception to anyone "making book" or "stalking" my grandchildren.

I cancelled my facebook account earlier this year. It wasn't a "spiritual conviction" but a practical one.

All I'm suggesting is that you be very cautious what you enter on the internet. If it's something
you wouldn't want everyone to know, you probably shouldn't enter it. Just Sayin ~~~

God Bless, Dan :hat
I'd be concerned if I was post trib; I wouldn't even be on FB if I was post trib, or even use credit cards; my eschatology/Theology does effect my lifestyle.

Online resources are good for keeping everyone plugged in; no one, like Obama and the progressives, can escape their shadiness. I post my FB news here on RR and RR news on my FB; it helps spread awareness and spreads light on the darkness.

Tall Timbers
June 21st, 2012, 11:30 AM
Christians should be on Facebook if they want to be... They shouldn't feel compelled to participate on social networking sites. I personally don't see value in participation on social networking sites.